my favorite idiot wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:06 pm in regard to the Deist God, to you and to how you construe the meaning of life, liberty and property, how
do you connect the dots ?
henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:35 amI connect the dots...
henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:35 am ...ass backwards...recognizin' natural rights and free will brought me to God, God didn't bring me to natural rights and free will
In other words, you don't really have a clue regarding where the Deist God fits into it all. Maybe He created you with the capacity to grasp the meaning of life, liberty and property logically, rationally and naturally...or maybe, rooted subjectively in dasein, given the life you lived, you came to think about them as you did existentially as political prejudices. But you needed something larger than yourself in which to anchor these prejudices.
For you it was Deism. And for these folks...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... traditions
...another God or religious path altogether.
Did He provide mere mortals with the innate capacity to grasp them logically, rationally, naturally?
henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:45 amNope. It's all intuitive. You
know your life, your liberty, your property are
yours and no one else's.
Come on, henry, how on Earth can you possible know that for certain? Intuitively? There's no Bible you can turn to, no scripture.
Though, again, how many of these folks...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_p ... ideologies
...will embrace intuition, as well, in defending completely different and conflicting convictions regarding life, liberty and property?
Hundreds and hundreds of dogmatists. And each and everyone insisting that, "no, my convictions
are the one and the only real deal."
Or, instead, is it more reasonable that individuals born in very, very different historical and cultural and experiential contexts and living very, very, very different lives were/are likely to come to many, many different [and ofttimes conflicting] understandings of what they mean.
henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:45 amAll that historical & cultural & experiential hooey doesn't negate what any person knows about himself: that his life is his alone.
And alone down through the ages historically and across the globe culturally and given all of vast and varied lives that each of us as individuals did and do live, we've come to many, many, many, many different assessments of what life, liberty and property means.
In other words, if one goes around the globe and encounters many, many Deists, are they likely to all share your own political convictions regarding guns and weapons of mass destruction, or, instead , will they be situated all along the liberal to conservative political spectrum?
You're conflating. Deism only speaks to a particular view on God. In other words: bein' a deist or theist or agnostic or atheist or whatever is no guarantee the deist, theist, agnostic, atheist or whatever will recognize and respect the other guy's natural rights (but you damn well better believe that deist, theist, agnostic, atheist, or whatever will expect the other guy to recognize and respect his).
How can they be
natural rights and yet at the same time be utterly at odds down through the ages historically, culturally and experientially?
Then back to you "somehow" connecting the dots between the Deist God, property rights and...libertarianism. And if the communitarians and the socialists among us intuitively reject that assessment of property rights and embrace collectivism instead than they are naturally idiots?