"The Supernatural Greatness of Christianity"

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"The Supernatural Greatness of Christianity"

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“The supernatural greatness of Christianity lies in the fact that it does not seek a supernatural remedy for suffering but a supernatural use for it.” ~ Simone Weil

What if it is true? It means that all the secularized worldly concepts used to deny the greatness of Christianity have missed the point. But how many get the point? What could such a statement, absurd for the secular mind, be anything but considered fantasy? Yet the seeker of truth can grow to understand and come to value the meaning and purpose of the Crucifixion the educated secular world must reject.
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Nick_A wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:40 pm “The supernatural greatness of Christianity lies in the fact that it does not seek a supernatural remedy for suffering but a supernatural use for it.” ~ Simone Weil

What if it is true? It means that all the secularized worldly concepts used to deny the greatness of Christianity have missed the point. But how many get the point? What could such a statement, absurd for the secular mind, be anything but considered fantasy? Yet the seeker of truth can grow to understand and come to value the meaning and purpose of the Crucifixion the educated secular world must reject.
Supernatural ...


"Definition of supernatural
1: of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe especially : of or relating to God or a god, demigod, spirit, or devil
2a: departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature
b: attributed to an invisible agent (such as a ghost or spirit)"

"Definition of dark matter
: nonluminous matter not yet directly detected by astronomers that is hypothesized to exist to account for various observed gravitational effects"

Commentary:

Supernatural … dark matter.
Tomato … tomaaahto.

The existence of dark matter is always inferred.
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Nick_A wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:40 pm “The supernatural greatness of Christianity lies in the fact that it does not seek a supernatural remedy for suffering but a supernatural use for it.” ~ Simone Weil
There's nothing more wonderful and yet nothing so horrid as existence.The greatest gift or the worst curse.
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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 9:54 am
Nick_A wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:40 pm “The supernatural greatness of Christianity lies in the fact that it does not seek a supernatural remedy for suffering but a supernatural use for it.” ~ Simone Weil
There's nothing more wonderful and yet nothing so horrid as existence.The greatest gift or the worst curse.
Free folks see situations, rather than blessings and curses.
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Walker wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:43 am Free folks see situations
And then go on to create more of the situations in their obssessive addiction to them.

But what more would you expect from Dicks, oh yeah, lets add more.
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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:55 am
Walker wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:43 am Free folks see situations
And then go on to create more of the situations in their obssessive addiction to them.

But what more would you expect from Dicks, oh yeah, lets add more.
Enslaved folks see blessings and curses rather than situations. What enslaves them? Self-cherishing.

Conclusion?

Forget about yourself for once in your life and all that life has cursed you with. The song of incessant nihilist whining becomes rather blah, if not superfluous, when dualistically and relatively contrasted with the absolute, which is why spirit expands when fortunate enough to see thousands of stars, in person, for a knowledge beyond the mere words is gained, if one is not too far gone to see only reflections of the noggin out there.
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Walker wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:22 am
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:55 am
Walker wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:43 am Free folks see situations
And then go on to create more of the situations in their obssessive addiction to them.

But what more would you expect from Dicks, oh yeah, lets add more.
Enslaved folks see blessings and curses rather than situations. What enslaves them? Self-cherishing.

Conclusion?

Forget about yourself for once in your life and all that life has cursed you with. The song of incessant nihilist whining becomes rather blah, if not superfluous, when dualistically and relatively contrasted with the absolute, which is why spirit expands when fortunate enough to see thousands of stars, in person, for a knowledge beyond the mere words is gained, if one is not too far gone to see only reflections of the noggin out there.
More dickish dictatorial ramblings...born of mind, as the demand for knowledge is dictated through communication with imaginary other, all of which is memory, which is past and dead.

Much better to live in the now, not that you could ever live out of the now, I tried it once, but just ended up in storyland much where you are now, I mean not now.

Dualism is not contrasted with the absolute, there is only the absolute. Clueless much.
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Walker wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:22 am

Forget about yourself for once in your life
I have a self? :roll: :? :o

Walker wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:22 am for a knowledge beyond the mere words is gained
Sorry oh deluded one, there is nothing gained beyond knowledge, for there is no knowledge beyond present day ordinary known knowledge, and so what the heck is knowledge beyond words even mean anyway, you are just making this all up as you go along aren't you? great story, not!!
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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:40 am
Walker wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:22 am

Forget about yourself for once in your life
I have a self? :roll: :? :o

Walker wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:22 am for a knowledge beyond the mere words is gained
Sorry oh deluded one, there is nothing gained beyond knowledge, for there is no knowledge beyond present day ordinary known knowledge, and so what the heck is knowledge beyond words even mean anyway, you are just making this all up as you go along aren't you? great story, not!!
Some words say something, some words say nothing. After mastering the latter, turn attention to the former in order to avoid becoming so unbalanced as to appear bilaterally unsymmetrical, which could be a disadvantage if the woke de jour expand their experimental programs of weeding out the undesirables for the welfare of all concerned, a disadvantage as an identification patch that removes individuality and is a distinction suspended in the matrix of metadata until a use needs to be found, for a purpose involving your identity.

But, don't continue to lose sight of the real point amidst all them there words that get blocked from meaning in the noggin and detour off into a non sequitur in order to establish an order that bolsters that fragile self hiding right in plain sight ...

Namely, the important point is that science is rather hypocritical to absolve itself of The Dark Matter dependency.

So, stay on topic, for once in your life.

:wink:

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This gets the blood flowin’, toes tappin’ and feet stompin’, all of which addresses the thread topic. There’s no need to allow “affiliatiation judements,” to impede appreciation of what it is, for the reasons that it is, the reasons being body voice and mind serving as a transparent vehicle for the energy flowing from the giant, invisible energy source regulated by you know Who, and I’m pretty sure you know who that is, considerating the situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihGHltBuBBI


The Greatness is Emotional.
Emote. Action.
The greatness grants Peace of mind and Soothes the heart.

What else explains the longevity?

Savvy?
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Walker wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:15 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:40 am
Walker wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:22 am

Forget about yourself for once in your life
I have a self? :roll: :? :o

Walker wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:22 am for a knowledge beyond the mere words is gained
Sorry oh deluded one, there is nothing gained beyond knowledge, for there is no knowledge beyond present day ordinary known knowledge, and so what the heck is knowledge beyond words even mean anyway, you are just making this all up as you go along aren't you? great story, not!!
Some words say something, some words say nothing. After mastering the latter, turn attention to the former in order to avoid becoming so unbalanced as to appear bilaterally unsymmetrical, which could be a disadvantage if the woke de jour expand their experimental programs of weeding out the undesirables for the welfare of all concerned, a disadvantage as an identification patch that removes individuality and is a distinction suspended in the matrix of metadata until a use needs to be found, for a purpose involving your identity.

But, don't continue to lose sight of the real point amidst all them there words that get blocked from meaning in the noggin and detour off into a non sequitur in order to establish an order that bolsters that fragile self hiding right in plain sight ...

Namely, the important point is that science is rather hypocritical to absolve itself of The Dark Matter dependency.

So, stay on topic, for once in your life.

:wink:

:D
Oh look, more tripe, and not just trivial tripe, but utter diabolical emotionally cultivated mushy tripe from a poor old desparate idiot that believes suffering is good for you, because oh, I'm just so worth it. Except no one cares about your shit storm that is a philosophy of the very deluded kind, namely grown from shit, smells like shit, and is defo nothing but shit.
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That all sounds rather yukky.

Don’t CAPS convey emotion in certain realms of existence in which an apprehension of reality, uncorrupted by intellectual fancy, needs that missing emotional element of a connection in order to complete the circuit of understanding, whether the juice flowing through that circuit, through that pathway of sentience, be AC or direct?

Of course.

The thing is, and not to be judgmental of what someone must do as evidenced by the doing, the pleasure/pain tendency in folks tends to shy away from suffering, even if it be the somewhat milder frustration kind of suffering, which is closely akin to annoyance.

How can something so common as suffering be contentious to a natural circuit of understanding? Indeed, ‘tis a multi-laned roundabout with numerous exits leading down well-worn pathways of philosophy, religion, science, experience and belief.

:|

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One of the main reasons the supernatural of greatness of Christianity is avoided with a passion on secular dominated sites simply because emotion is glorified. Only a relative few are aware that the dominance of negative emotions justified as positive are the chief source of mechanical suffering in the world. Christianity speaks of conscious suffering while the world glorifies mechanical suffering. Who know the difference. Yet doing so is what reveals the greatness of Christianity. Read how Gurdjieff explains it:

https://www.awakin.org/v2/read/view.php?tid=198
I have already said before that sacrifice is necessary. Without sacrifice, nothing can be attained. But if there is anything in the world that people do not understand it is the idea of sacrifice. They think they have to sacrifice something that they have. For example, I once said that they must sacrifice "faith", "tranquility", or "health." All these words must be taken in quotation marks. In actual fact, they have to sacrifice only what they imagine they have, and which in reality they do not have. They must sacrifice their fantasies. This is difficult for them, very difficult. It is much easier to sacrifice real things.

Another thing that people must give up is their suffering. It is very difficult also to sacrifice one's suffering. A man will renounce any pleasure you like but he will not give up his suffering. Man is made in such a way that he is never so attached to anything as he is to his suffering. And it is necessary to be free from suffering. No one who is not free from suffering, who has not sacrificed his suffering, can work. Nothing can be attained without suffering but at the same time, one must begin by sacrificing suffering. Now, decipher what this means.

-- Gurdjieff, in P.D. Ouspensky's 'In Search Of The Miraculous'
Nothing can be attained without suffering but at the same time, one must begin by sacrificing suffering. Now, decipher what this means.

Who knows what it means? How can a person sacrifice their imagination and why do it if it provides meaning? Yet those who do appreciate the reason for the Crucifixion realize the potential for the Resurrection and the goal of Christianity.
Spinoza expressed his resolve to: "...inquire whether there might be some real good having power to communicate itself, which would affect the mind singly, to the exclusion of all else; whether, in fact, there might be anything of which the discovery and attainment would enable me to enjoy continuous, supreme, and unending happiness." He found, for himself, that the "chief good" is "knowledge of the union existing between the mind and the whole of nature."

The true study of Spinoza's ideas involves the study of our own particular nature, seeking to clarify the confusions and passive emotions brought about through our own imagination and, by using Reason and Intuition, to direct our mind toward union with our Eternal Essential Being.
Apparently the confusions and passive emotions producing imagination makes impartial reason impossible and the dominance of the world of opinions.

Gurdjieff understood the power of negative emotions and the refusal for humanity to sacrifice them. Spinoza knew how passive emotions deny reason. The world seeks to glorify them and call it education. Who even bothers to ask the difference between positive and negative emotions and yet feel free to argue man made conceptions of Christianity? Welcome to the human condition.
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Walker wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:24 pm That all sounds rather yukky.

Don’t CAPS convey emotion in certain realms of existence in which an apprehension of reality, uncorrupted by intellectual fancy, needs that missing emotional element of a connection in order to complete the circuit of understanding, whether the juice flowing through that circuit, through that pathway of sentience, be AC or direct?

Of course.

The thing is, and not to be judgmental of what someone must do as evidenced by the doing, the pleasure/pain tendency in folks tends to shy away from suffering, even if it be the somewhat milder frustration kind of suffering, which is closely akin to annoyance.

How can something so common as suffering be contentious to a natural circuit of understanding? Indeed, ‘tis a multi-laned roundabout with numerous exits leading down well-worn pathways of philosophy, religion, science, experience and belief.

:|

(Sees how it tidies up at the end? Now, time for real football.) :wink:
Yes, it's all very yucky, a game only a yucky fool would play. Glad you agree.. you're welcome.

If you enjoy having your flesh impaled by endless emotional nails, a cross it must surely bare.. then enjoy your sadistic nature, but don't expect others to congratulate your tolerance and endorsement of it. It is the responsibilty of the creator of sentient life, as known by the christian belief to do the right thing. Luckily there is no such creator, and is where the intelligence that is life takes over and chooses to stop playing the sick workings of a creator God out of sheer compassion for itself as a sentient feeling creature that does not require a scientific phD to know that pain is an insidious waste of energy, and certainly not to be endured just because some christian believer just happens to think .. It's all so worth it.

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Nick_A wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:32 pm One of the main reasons the supernatural of greatness of Christianity is avoided with a passion on secular dominated sites simply because emotion is glorified. Only a relative few are aware that the dominance of negative emotions justified as positive are the chief source of mechanical suffering in the world. Christianity speaks of conscious suffering while the world glorifies mechanical suffering. Who know the difference. Yet doing so is what reveals the greatness of Christianity. Read how Gurdjieff explains it:

The only greatness here is the ego's deluded idea that there is a divine plan and purpose to life, it's a very distorted and desperate idea.
Life for sentient feeling creatures is a mechanical process through and through, there is nothing divine about mechanical processes, which have nothing at all to do with spirituality whatsoever. Spirituality is just another man-made sham of an idea manifest in the form of another of mans guilty pleasures, because anything that makes my dick hard, is good for me, so lets roll with whatever I can make up that sounds great.

But hey, if you want to glorify the pain that is being a sentient feeling animal, by using spirituality or God as an excuse to justify it, then don't expect others to just go along with your fetish, other people do not have to feel obligated to follow that line of justification and reason for being, because some people are just too intelligent to buy into that kind of mushy magic.

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