To me, the word 'sexuality', as in, "What is your sexuality?" just means refers to what 'sex', gender, one 'likes' to have 'sex with'.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:56 pmThere is no such thing as, "sexuality." It's a made-up concept to excuse any practice one chooses by claiming their nature made them do it.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:24 amWould you say a heterosexual chose their sexuality?RCSaunders wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:52 am
There is no such thing as a, "homosexual nature," anymore than there is a, "pedophile nature," or, "rapist nature," or, "bestiality nature." These are all chosen practices. Nothing makes anyone be anything that can otherwise be chosen. It's like asking what makes someone have a piano player's nature, or an electrician's, a dancer's, or a baker's.
And, whenever I hear of what one's 'sexuality' is, for example, 'heterosexual', 'homosexual', or 'bisexual' I NEVER envision one is trying to 'excuse' the practice/sexuality that they have chosen to continue with. I just SEE 'it' as that is just their CHOSEN preferred sexual partner.
Although ALL physical bodies are 'attracted', or, literally, 'gravitate' towards to each other, in a gravitational sense, what 'one' likes or dislikes is SOLELY depended upon 'thinking', which of course is completely AND utterly INVISIBLE and so may not ACTUALLY be made up of absolutely ANY thing 'physical' anyway.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:56 pm All so-called, "attractions," are entirely psychological resulting in physical responses to what one thinks and believes.
But EVERY body is born with a desire to live and be kept alive.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:56 pm No one is born with any specific physiological desire for anything.
But, for all intents and purposes, the 'person' within the physical human body has NOT YET formed at the 'birth' of the body, or has only just 'become' not long before the 'birth' of the human body, and NO 'person' at those ages has ANY 'sexuality' AT ALL.
What gender of human body a 'person' would LIKE to have sex with ONLY comes about much later in Life, after the birth of the human body, itself.
And, what a 'person' ends up 'liking', depends on what the physical body has previously 'experienced', and then when a 'person' has matured enough they then CHOOSE to keep 'liking' or 'not liking' 'something' or 'another'.
NOT UNTIL 'sex with another' becomes a part of the 'thoughts' and 'thinking' within does 'sexuality' EVER come into the picture. And, NO one wants 'sex with another' at birth and for some length of time afterwards.
So, that old saying, "I was born like that", is a complete AND utter fallacy.
And this applies to ALL 'likes', 'dislikes', 'views', 'opinion', BELIEFS, 'thoughts, and 'thinking'.
If you took the words 'choose' and 'physiological' out of this, then, to me, this would be PERFECTLY True.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:56 pm One has to learn what sex is, what the difference between the sexes are, how and what to think about such things--their physiological reaactions (including physical "desires") will be determined by what they choose to think and believe.
This is because 'one' does NOT CHOOSE, in childhood, to 'like' or 'dislike' ANY thing initially.
For example, NO one CHOOSES which flavor of ice cream to like. NOT UNTIL 'one' is provided with an ice cream, is that flavor 'liked' or 'disliked'. Absolutely NO one KNOWS A 'flavor' UNTIL the physical body 'experiences' 'it'.
The same with 'sex', NO one KNOWS what 'flavor' of 'sex' they WILL 'like', UNTIL they 'experience', through ANY of the five senses, SOME 'thing' 'sexual'. So, what one becomes 'attracted' to is NOT 'determined by what they CHOOSE to think or believe' but by what the body 'experiences'. And, the VERY 'surroundings' of a body, at the VERY MOMENT the body is 'experiencing' some 'thing', can and WILL influence what that 'one' ends up 'liking' and/or 'disliking'.
VERY, VERY True.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:56 pm No one is born with a desire for a cheeseburger with fries--they have to learn what those things are and have some experience with them before having such desires.
ALL 'information' is LEARNED, along the way, and which is obtained through ANY or ALL of the five senses of the body, and gathered and stored within the brain. It is the 'experiences' of the physical body that, literally, 'forms' the 'you', within. So, 'you', literally, become the 'in-formed', and in fact are always becoming 'in-formed'.
(Knowledge, however, is DIFFERENT, as thee KNOWING of Right AND Wrong is ALREADY within 'you'. Although, in the days when this was being written it was UNCONSCIOUSLY KNOWN, and has, to 'you', posters, here YET to 'become' CONSCIOUSLY KNOWN).
However, it could be argued that the, collective, IRREFUTABLE 'information' or 'knowledge' to ALL of "Life's (so-called) mysteries" ALREADY EXISTS within 'you', and ALWAYS HAS, but that it is your OWN, personal, 'information' or 'knowledge', which ONLY comes about through 'life experiences'.
(By the way, and not necessarily for 'you', posters, here, distinguishing EXACTLY and FULLY between 'information' and 'knowledge' and being able to explain this FULLY is one of the last 'things' that I am STILL VERY MUCH LEARNING in how to communicate better. That, and of course, what words to use in being able to get these adult human beings, in the days when this was being written, to become FULLY Honest and thus FULLY OPEN UP).
VERY True.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:56 pm No one is born with any particular sexual proclivity--they have to learn what all those things are and have some experience before having any such desires.
But, to 'evaluate' one's feelings, one has to be able to RECOGNIZE 'them', which is VERY, VERY HARD when one has been expected to suppress their feelings or has, unconsciously, "chosen" to suppress their feelings. And, one can NOT REALLY 'choose' the BEST option, when they do NOT even YET KNOW, consciously, what is ACTUALLY Right and Wrong in Life.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:56 pm Then they must evaluate their feelings (which cannot tell them what is best for them) and choose whether to let their desires determine their choices (have the burger even though they are overweight and already diabetic) or choose what is best for their own long-term benefit. The same goes for how one practices their sexual desires.
'Desiring' the IRREFUTABLY absolutely Wrong 'things' in Life can seem SO NATURAL that choosing to continue to 'desire' 'those things' can 'feel like one is
actually doing the right thing to do in Life. So, 'evaluating' 'feelings' can lead one, or a WHOLE species, down the COMPLETELY Wrong path in Life.
As ALREADY PROVED True, by the human species, the days when this was being written.
VERY SADLY, here is a PRIME EXAMPLE of WHY it took the 'human being' millennia to FINALLY WORK OUT what thee ACTUAL Truth REALLY IS, and STILL HAD NOT, in the days when this was being written.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:56 pm [Do some research on paraphilias, here and, "The 15 most common paraphilias". Are these desires inborn? Are they one's nature?]
You can't have it both ways. Either human beings are volitional creatures who must consciously choose their behavior and are therefore totally responsible for all they choose to think and do, or something else (their gene's, society, inborn desires, etc.) determines what they do. If the latter, all discussion of what anyone ought to do becomes silly, because they don't have any choice about it. Either one chooses their behavior or they don't, but, it cannot be both.
Children have NO choice AT ALL in what they come-to-like/dislike. And, they have NO choice in their behavior. Although adults will PUNISHINGLY and RIDICULING TELL them OTHERWISE.
ALL human beings, instinctively, KNOW Right from Wrong. EVERY child is born with this KNOWING, but EVERY child is also taught OTHERWISE, and grows up becoming LOST and CONFUSED.
Although ALL adults can CHOOSE their behavior, they had, in the days when this was being written, become SO CONFUSED that they REALLY did NOT KNOW what is ACTUALLY Right and Wrong. And will OPENLY ADMIT this when questioned.
And, it is ONLY adult human beings who could be held, actually, be 'responsible' for what they CHOOSE to 'think' and 'do. Children could NEVER, actually, be responsible beings. However, adults will QUICKLY 'try' and TELL you OTHERWISE. There is NOTHING like the SPEED the, supposed, 'responsible' one will VERY QUICKLY PASS that 'responsibility' onto "another one". And, it is the 'weakest' who inevitably ends up HAVING TO take ALL of the BLAME. This can be SEEN in ALL places where "POWER" and "RESPONSIBILITY" are MEANT to be taking place.
So,
ALL human beings are FREE, have volition.
However, children are NEVER MEANT to be 'responsible', for ANY thing, and it is ONLY adult human beings who are MEANT to be 'responsible', for EVERY thing they say and do.
The genes of the physical body are A GIVEN, and which have absolutely NO control whatsoever over the or ABILITY to CHOOSE. And, it is just this ABILITY to CHOOSE which is what makes human beings completely 'volitional' AND 'free willed' creatures/animals.
NO human being, necessarily, MUST 'consciously choose' their behavior, and if questioned, 'you', human beings, hardly even know WHY 'you' CHOOSE what you do do. In fact the VAST MAJORITY of 'you' do you do NOT even KNOW the REAL reasons WHY you do just about EVERY thing that you do.
Human beings do CHOOSE their 'behavior', but when QUESTIONED for CLARITY, a majority of the time, they do NOT even KNOW WHY they CHOOSE the 'behavior' that they did.
Also, you CLAIMED above that one either chooses their 'behavior' or they do not, and, that "it can NOT be both". BUT, when EXACTLY does one CHOOSE their 'behavior'? Are you saying that a new born baby chooses their behavior?
If no, then 'when', EXACTLY, does one CHOOSE their 'behavior'?
Furthermore, human beings can NOT CHOOSE their 'actions', and this is because 'actions' are NOT the same as 'behaviors'. 'Actions' are DIFFERENT from 'behaviors'.