Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 12:16 pm
If carpenter is the creator
And tables are made in the image of carpenter
THEN
Is a table the creator.
FUCK NO.
You are missing the point.
No one has ever SEEN God. No one has ever SEEN any concept. Concepts are only KNOWN...by that which is unseen, and unknowable.
Concepts are absolutely KNOWN since that which is known can never become unknown.
The SEEN can never be unseen. ''Seeing'' is not what ''thought'' thinks it is.
Seeing means Knowing. Seeing and Knowing are identical, they are indistinguishable sensations.
You can KNOW fire is hot without ever thinking about it. Without even placing the concept ''fire is hot'' onto the sensation of knowing.
No one ever created a thing, nor was there ever a thing called a creator. These are simple imagined known concepts.
An object is KNOWN, and that which is KNOWN cannot see or know anything...as the idea of a TABLE demonstrates.
A table is a concept known, a table cannot see or know anything. The table only exists as an imagined conceptual thing known only to it's creator, which again is also a known concept.
If you break this down even further, a table was once a tree, so is the table a tree, and is a tree a wood, and is the table a wood or a tree?
Although concepts can never be anything other than what they are known for, no concept actually exists as a real thing in and of itself, separate from it's creator which is imagination.
A creator has no image, a creator can only reflect an image of itself as and through it's own imagined creation reflected back at it, in the form of an object. The 'looker' and the 'looked upon' are the same one reality. Just try separating the looker from what it's looking at, it's impossible, except through the mental realm of concepts, which is an artificial overlay upon what is always and ever this immediate nondual reality.
You are confusing ''physical things'' to be reality. When the opposite is also true, reality is non-physical, it's totally mental.
No creator has ever been seen, a creator is only KNOWN as and through it's own imagined creation as a physical object.
No one has ever seen a table, it's only a concept known, by the only knowing there is which is the creator of the known concept, which by definition also creates the idea of the creator in the exact same instance of knowing.
Try to fool yourself again, it's fun game you only ever play with yourself.
We're all a little mad here, including you.
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