Same could be said for there is no meaning in good apart from what isn't good. But this can only be human reasoning, through the knowledge of opposites within the dream of separation. In reality, the universe is neither good nor evil. Human Knowledge only showed up a few seconds ago within the actual age of the entire universe, do you see that? tis only through the language that is the talking species known as human, who only showed up a few seconds ago within the grand scheme of everything that is was and ever will be. Knowledge is just a temporal appearance here. Knowledge can never be absolute knowing, it can only be relative to itself as a finite object.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:29 pm It's evil that "has no meaning" apart from good. You can tell that because evil is always, inevitably, some kind of corruption or failure of "the good."
But a lit room is only light because it's not dark.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:29 pmThink of it like light and dark. "Light" is a thing, but "dark" really is not. It's merely the deficiency or absence of light. That's why light always disspells darkness, but darkness never smothers light. You can see this when you go into a dark room and flip on the light switch: instantly, darkness is gone. But you cannot walk into a lit room and throw on the "dark" switch. That's not a thing.
Again, that knowing is within the realm of knowledge. In reality there is no such thing as light or dark, except in this conception, within the artificial dream of separation, are you familar with what dream speak is? it's acually no thing being everything. Remember, all life thrives in both the light and the dark. They are both the same phenomena. Out of the darkness of the unborn comes the light of the born. You have to be both dark and light. Close your eyes and see that all images disappear. If you scrunch your eyes tight enough, you can actually see darkness. So if you are just the light, then you wouldn't be able to see the darkness. In pitch black darkness you are still able to function as a living being. The heart is beating in complete darkness.
Is it evil to impose suffering on the unborn
The knower of sin and evil does.
If you claim to know, then why impose what you know as evil and sinful on another being. Why invite another one to suffer the pain of living, when you can prevent it by not creating the being in the first place? because you already know that sin and evil exist in the world of the born? why would you want to keep reproducing that?
Yes, it's nice, but it's also horrible.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:29 pmExistence itself is not suffering. It's not in any way automatic that to exist has to be painful. It's often quite nice, actually.
Notice also, that life for sentient feeling creatures live in a constant state of tension always on alert in the drive to stay alive. there's always the striving to move away from negative situations in favor of the nice feeling of comfort. there's no such state as permanent comfort for the sentient creature, this can be proven when we observe the behavior of animals. they are always in a state of alertness in the fear of being eaten and killed, and it's the same for humans.
I do not agree with this. I believe we are God, and that we can never be separated from ourselves. I believe evil and sin have to exist for it's opposite to exist, and that they are both one and the same reality. Obviously there is always a natural instinctive movement away from something that feels uncomfortable for us, like pain for example, but only because we know that pain is not an ideal situation, and that it's bad...so there is always a natural instinct to move away from the negative, and we spend our entire lives avoiding the negative in favor of the positive...only to die in the end, and sometimes really painfully and horribly.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:29 pmBut the existence we currently have certainly involves suffering, because it is marked by a deficiency of goods we long for. The Christian view is that suffering, like evil, like darkness, is not a thing-in-itself: not meaning that it's illusory or not real, as the Buddhists think, but that the only reason it exists is because the good creation of God has been tainted by sin, and the creature, mankind, has been alienated from the source of light, life, health, happiness, love, and all the good things we long for.
This situation was not intended to exist. But it exists because mankind has rebelled against God. For instance, it's mankind's distance from God that creates loneliness. It's mankind's distance from the Source of Life that creates death. It's mankind's departure from the good that causes us to experience evil. It's mankind's mental distance from the Source of All Wisdom that leaves him foolish. And it's mankind's distance from the Source of Happiness that occasions suffering.
But hey, if that's what we love doing then we'll keep on reproducing more of what we love doing. Personally, I think it's a dumb game to play, when we know we do not have to.
There is no god to forgive you but yourself.