uwot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:56 am
attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:43 pmJust out of interest uwot - was much said about 'Christ'? If so, I'd imagine it was about discounting any validation to his existence?
Well atto, me old mucker, as the title 'God: The Most Unpleasant Character in All Fiction' implies the book is more about the characters as they are portrayed in the bible than whether either god or Jesus are or were real. The old testament gets 27 chapters; the final chapter 28 'What about Jesus?' starts by making the point that "The Father and I are one." (John 10:30) For which reason the atrocities highlighted in the previous just shy of 300 pages apply to the boy as much as the daddy.
Beyond the preaching atheists that at least (though non-believing) comprehend the big hypocrisy of the bible - an ALL "loving God" .....yet we are in fear of this entity, if only by some judgement..where it turns out HE is a total C**T beyond what Christ went through!
IF I had a pound for everything presumed to have been said in the bible - whether by atheists or theists - I'd have a bit of cash.
Fact is, most on either side talk shite that is NOT even in the bible. - not that i give much more than a steam off my poo for buy_bull shite..
I watched a bit of U-Tube on the Barker dude.
Seems - everything HAS TO BE TRUE as per Bible or NOT. (hence easy target shooting akin with Dawkins)
Ridiculous.
Hence the ridiculous presumption that it is either SCIENCE or THEISM - the two are mutually exclusive. Well of course - if one is to accept the bible as ALL the word of some 'God' - i'd jump onto the science side. But they are not mutually exclusive - within reason.
From the U-tube doc - Barker starts talking about the """miracles""" as if they were performed by some bloke - (called Jesus)
What miracles? - it only takes someone with a fathoming of the sub-atomic scale of reality to comprehend that it is plausible for MATTER to change form at will - IF - IF - there is a 'God' - all this Jesus had to be was a bloke-----was interfaced to this sub-atomic system --- the kind of stuff I have witnessed - it's not "magic" it's not "miracles"
To be honest. I'd love a conference with Dawkins\Barker etc.. with the RIDICULOUS suggestions and presumptions they make about the entire theist mindset.