The Concept of God

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All abstractions are real as abstractions, they act as the filters through which we move and interact through reality. The concept of God, as a filter for our actions, necessitates God as affecting the world empirically thus is empirical.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:02 pm All abstractions are real as abstractions, they act as the filters through which we move and interact through reality. The concept of God, as a filter for our actions, necessitates God as affecting the world empirically thus is empirical.
God is just another concept for nothing which is the same as everything which is nothing at all.
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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:53 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:02 pm All abstractions are real as abstractions, they act as the filters through which we move and interact through reality. The concept of God, as a filter for our actions, necessitates God as affecting the world empirically thus is empirical.
God is just another concept for nothing which is the same as everything which is nothing at all.
A concept of nothing is something which exists thus is not nothing. There is no nothing as void is void of itself, there is only being.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:44 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:53 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:02 pm All abstractions are real as abstractions, they act as the filters through which we move and interact through reality. The concept of God, as a filter for our actions, necessitates God as affecting the world empirically thus is empirical.
God is just another concept for nothing which is the same as everything which is nothing at all.
A concept of nothing is something which exists thus is not nothing. There is no nothing as void is void of itself, there is only being.
To know there is only being requires a knower and what it knows. Knower and Known is knowledge aka the illusion of duality.

In other words nothing and everything/something are one and the same reality simultaneously.

Knowledge can only point to the illusion of reality in that it's ONE seamless phenomena. A sum zero that cannot be divided by itself because it doesn't have one except in this conception, the not-knowing knowing.
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Dontaskme wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:10 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:44 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:53 pm

God is just another concept for nothing which is the same as everything which is nothing at all.
A concept of nothing is something which exists thus is not nothing. There is no nothing as void is void of itself, there is only being.
To know there is only being requires a knower and what it knows. Knower and Known is knowledge aka the illusion of duality.

In other words nothing and everything/something are one and the same reality simultaneously.

Knowledge can only point to the illusion of reality in that it's ONE seamless phenomena. A sum zero that cannot be divided by itself because it doesn't have one except in this conception, the not-knowing knowing.
Yet illusions are part of reality as grades of it. To say something is false because it is an illusion is to say that the illusion exists as a phenomenon. If the illusion exists as a phenomenon it exists as part of reality thus making this dualism between illusion and truth an actual triad: Truth, Illusion, X (both truth and illusion).

To distinguish the one into many parts results in the many as part of the one and the one as part of the many thus resulting in both one and many as the third option.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Aug 10, 2021 11:24 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:10 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:44 pm

A concept of nothing is something which exists thus is not nothing. There is no nothing as void is void of itself, there is only being.
To know there is only being requires a knower and what it knows. Knower and Known is knowledge aka the illusion of duality.

In other words nothing and everything/something are one and the same reality simultaneously.

Knowledge can only point to the illusion of reality in that it's ONE seamless phenomena. A sum zero that cannot be divided by itself because it doesn't have one except in this conception, the not-knowing knowing.
Yet illusions are part of reality as grades of it. To say something is false because it is an illusion is to say that the illusion exists as a phenomenon. If the illusion exists as a phenomenon it exists as part of reality thus making this dualism between illusion and truth an actual triad: Truth, Illusion, X (both truth and illusion).

To distinguish the one into many parts results in the many as part of the one and the one as part of the many thus resulting in both one and many as the third option.
Knowledge informs the nature of reality, in that it can only point to it's illusory nature of both existing and not existing simultaneously.

Knowledge arises from the emptiness of nothing, appearing as something full, and yet is actually nothing being something, or if you want to flip it around, something being nothing. It's the same one reality. Just as an empty mirror can only reflect something because it is empty, and yet an empty mirror can only reflect what it's basically constructed of, namely, emptiness.
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Concepts are not experienced.

Concepts can never experience.

'Nothing', 'no thing', 'not a thing' is experiencing reality as appearances only, as and through 'every thing'

What is this multiplicity of things, this 'everything'? Only thought conceives a multiplicity and diversity of things.

What is a 'thought'?

Where is 'thought' located exactly?

The illusion is real, apparently.
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Dontaskme wrote: Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:56 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Aug 10, 2021 11:24 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:10 am

To know there is only being requires a knower and what it knows. Knower and Known is knowledge aka the illusion of duality.

In other words nothing and everything/something are one and the same reality simultaneously.

Knowledge can only point to the illusion of reality in that it's ONE seamless phenomena. A sum zero that cannot be divided by itself because it doesn't have one except in this conception, the not-knowing knowing.
Yet illusions are part of reality as grades of it. To say something is false because it is an illusion is to say that the illusion exists as a phenomenon. If the illusion exists as a phenomenon it exists as part of reality thus making this dualism between illusion and truth an actual triad: Truth, Illusion, X (both truth and illusion).

To distinguish the one into many parts results in the many as part of the one and the one as part of the many thus resulting in both one and many as the third option.
Knowledge informs the nature of reality, in that it can only point to it's illusory nature of both existing and not existing simultaneously.

Knowledge arises from the emptiness of nothing, appearing as something full, and yet is actually nothing being something, or if you want to flip it around, something being nothing. It's the same one reality. Just as an empty mirror can only reflect something because it is empty, and yet an empty mirror can only reflect what it's basically constructed of, namely, emptiness.
1. Thus contradiction informs us of the nature of reality and as pointing to said reality is a subset of it.

2. Reality pointing to reality necessitates a dualism between the observer and the observed where reality in pointing to itself fragments.

3. Reality is not one, it is triadic given emptiness equating to something points to 2 states with the relationships between these two states being a third element. Reality is non-dual but not 1.

4. If all is negated under nothingness then nothingness self negates, ie there is no nothingness.
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Dontaskme wrote: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:20 am Concepts are not experienced.

Concepts can never experience.

'Nothing', 'no thing', 'not a thing' is experiencing reality as appearances only, as and through 'every thing'

What is this multiplicity of things, this 'everything'? Only thought conceives a multiplicity and diversity of things.

What is a 'thought'?

Where is 'thought' located exactly?

The illusion is real, apparently.
1. This is a concept which is experienced much in defining an object by what it is not points to the object nonetheless.

2. Concepts as the mirrors through which reality is observed necessitates the concept as part of the "I" as a means of observing reality, under these terms where concepts are part of identity, concepts can experience.

3. Reality as an appearance is in itself an appearance.

4. If thought concieves of multipliicty and diversity of things then no though is the absence of this multiplicity and dualism yet this absence of thought results in the dualistic state of thought thus a contradiction occurs.

5. What is not thought but all the phenomena which surround and permeate thought?

6. Thought is located next to another thought thus is located in itself.

7. To say illusion is real is to say illusion is part of reality.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:07 am
Dontaskme wrote: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:20 am Concepts are not experienced.

Concepts can never experience.

'Nothing', 'no thing', 'not a thing' is experiencing reality as appearances only, as and through 'every thing'

What is this multiplicity of things, this 'everything'? Only thought conceives a multiplicity and diversity of things.

What is a 'thought'?

Where is 'thought' located exactly?

The illusion is real, apparently.
1. This is a concept which is experienced much in defining an object by what it is not points to the object nonetheless.

2. Concepts as the mirrors through which reality is observed necessitates the concept as part of the "I" as a means of observing reality, under these terms where concepts are part of identity, concepts can experience.

3. Reality as an appearance is in itself an appearance.

4. If thought concieves of multipliicty and diversity of things then no though is the absence of this multiplicity and dualism yet this absence of thought results in the dualistic state of thought thus a contradiction occurs.

5. What is not thought but all the phenomena which surround and permeate thought?

6. Thought is located next to another thought thus is located in itself.

7. To say illusion is real is to say illusion is part of reality.
A thought manifests only because that thought has been triggered by the previous thought. There is no break in the apparent Asymmetry between the thinker and the thought, they both exist as one endless seamless stream. Attention to thought is what creates the illusion of continuity of being always now.

The gap between two thoughts is who you are. For example during deep dreamless sleep, when thoughts are not being awared. You are whether thoughts are or not.

You are the awareness of thought, and need thought to know you exist as an awareness of thought. You can exist as both knowing you exist and not knowing you exist...in other words, you do and do not exist simultaneously.

Strange, but true.

And again, this is only possible to say, due to having the knowledge of language and concepts. Which can only point to the illusory nature of existence, which is this immediate Not-knowing knowing.

In other words, there really is nothing knowing itself.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:02 pm All abstractions are real as abstractions, they act as the filters through which we move and interact through reality. The concept of God, as a filter for our actions, necessitates God as affecting the world empirically thus is empirical.
Is the concept of god the same as our concept of the fittest human?

I think so, with, with a bunch of imaginary powers added on by liars?

You will likely know that some of the old Emperors declared themselves to be gods and that they named their sons, sons of god.

As a naturalistic religion, Christianity would be more like Gnostic Christianity is and would thrive.

As a supernatural believing religion, it is bound to dies as modernization kills it.

I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

Further.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html

Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02cia ... =PLCBF574D

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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:40 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 12:07 am
Dontaskme wrote: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:20 am Concepts are not experienced.

Concepts can never experience.

'Nothing', 'no thing', 'not a thing' is experiencing reality as appearances only, as and through 'every thing'

What is this multiplicity of things, this 'everything'? Only thought conceives a multiplicity and diversity of things.

What is a 'thought'?

Where is 'thought' located exactly?

The illusion is real, apparently.
1. This is a concept which is experienced much in defining an object by what it is not points to the object nonetheless.

2. Concepts as the mirrors through which reality is observed necessitates the concept as part of the "I" as a means of observing reality, under these terms where concepts are part of identity, concepts can experience.

3. Reality as an appearance is in itself an appearance.

4. If thought concieves of multipliicty and diversity of things then no though is the absence of this multiplicity and dualism yet this absence of thought results in the dualistic state of thought thus a contradiction occurs.

5. What is not thought but all the phenomena which surround and permeate thought?

6. Thought is located next to another thought thus is located in itself.

7. To say illusion is real is to say illusion is part of reality.
A thought manifests only because that thought has been triggered by the previous thought. There is no break in the apparent Asymmetry between the thinker and the thought, they both exist as one endless seamless stream. Attention to thought is what creates the illusion of continuity of being always now.

The gap between two thoughts is who you are. For example during deep dreamless sleep, when thoughts are not being awared. You are whether thoughts are or not.

You are the awareness of thought, and need thought to know you exist as an awareness of thought. You can exist as both knowing you exist and not knowing you exist...in other words, you do and do not exist simultaneously.

Strange, but true.

And again, this is only possible to say, due to having the knowledge of language and concepts. Which can only point to the illusory nature of existence, which is this immediate Not-knowing knowing.

In other words, there really is nothing knowing itself.
1. The thought resulting in another thought results in the original thought under a new form thus recursion.

2. A gap cannot be observed except as the relationship of being as the absence of one being within another, thus there is no nothingness only being.

3. Nothing knowing itself is self negating as there is no nothing considering if all is void even the nature of void must be voided.
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Greatest I am wrote: Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:30 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:02 pm All abstractions are real as abstractions, they act as the filters through which we move and interact through reality. The concept of God, as a filter for our actions, necessitates God as affecting the world empirically thus is empirical.
Is the concept of god the same as our concept of the fittest human?

I think so, with, with a bunch of imaginary powers added on by liars?

You will likely know that some of the old Emperors declared themselves to be gods and that they named their sons, sons of god.

As a naturalistic religion, Christianity would be more like Gnostic Christianity is and would thrive.

As a supernatural believing religion, it is bound to dies as modernization kills it.

I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

Further.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html

Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02cia ... =PLCBF574D

Regards
DL
God is not limited to humanity thus is not limited to the fittest human. God is the concept of "all" being and is not limited to this conceptualization of being as "all" given God as a concept is God as having limits to being a concept thus is not all powerful. God as all powerful necessitates God as dually existing as an absence of form.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Aug 19, 2021 12:08 am
The thought resulting in another thought results in the original thought under a new form thus recursion.
That would imply a 'predictive' unfurling of events, based on what happened before to trigger what's happening in realtime, and so yes, I agree.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Aug 19, 2021 12:08 am2. A gap cannot be observed except as the relationship of being as the absence of one being within another, thus there is no nothingness only being.
There has to be, both being and not being in the exact same instance. To be, requires a knowledge of being, but since knowledge is just the appearance of being itself. There cannot be knowledge to speak of in regards to not-being. Being is only known to be in the context of it's comlimentary opposite that must exist in the exact same instant. That's the nature of duality, which is knowing opposites as and through conceptual language. All knowledge of things are known as concept only, as and through the only knowing there is which is unknowable.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Aug 19, 2021 12:08 am3. Nothing knowing itself is self negating as there is no nothing considering if all is void even the nature of void must be voided.
Things do not know anything. Things are known by the only knowing there is which is unknowable....think about that.
A thing, or concept is known...but a thing in and of itself does not know. A thing doesn't need to know, it's already being known.
Reality does not experience itself as the 'thing' it knows. Think about that... there is no thing knowing. There is only this immediate mysterious knowing... you are that knowing that cannot be known, and that's all that can be known about knowing.

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Aug 19, 2021 12:20 am

God is not limited to humanity thus is not limited to the fittest human. God is the concept of "all" being and is not limited to this conceptualization of being as "all" given God as a concept is God as having limits to being a concept thus is not all powerful. God as all powerful necessitates God as dually existing as an absence of form.
Hard to read.

How can you know the limits of a god? Telepathy?

If made in our image, god is definitely limited just as the fittest human is.

If limited, why call it god? Who is this limited God?

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