Well said.
What boils my oil, is when people say, oh well, your just contradicting yourself. And it's like, err, how am I supposed to know that unless I didn't know that.
Well said.
That is what debates are all about. Listening and learning from what others say, and agreeing or disagreeing.
In that case, I agree to disagree.Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:08 amThat is what debates are all about. Listening and learning from what others say, and agreeing or disagreeing.
Yes we are talking about the "Knower" here. As dwellers in a world of time, space, and force we all have to pretend to be "Knowers". Even you.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:19 amIn that case, I agree to disagree.
No one has to learn to be. To know you are being requires knowledge, which can only ever point to the illusory nature of your reality.
We are talking about the ''Knower'' here, aren't we?
Basically, correct.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:45 pmThus morality is based on personal whim and the majority of people follow a morality based upon their own spirits and appetites.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:56 pmSpoken like one who fears discussing moral.
Sure they are subjective, but better than 70% of us world wide think the same way, and you and I would not likely disagree on most moral tenets unless you are a immoral and brain dead believer.
That is factual.
Regards
DL
??trokanmariel wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:36 pm
I think that you have argued a defense for God, along the lines of perfection coming from evolution. Which is difficult to reconcile with.
Greatest I am wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:33 pm??trokanmariel wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:36 pm
I think that you have argued a defense for God, along the lines of perfection coming from evolution. Which is difficult to reconcile with.
Evolution seems to have been good to us.
Our main goal is to reproduce and we have done a lot of that.
Perhaps too much given our proximity to our own extinction.
What do you see as a lack of perfection in how our instincts guide us?
What have you not reconciled?
Regards
DL
Alone as in you wanting another sentient intelligent alien species?trokanmariel wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:39 pmGreatest I am wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:33 pm??trokanmariel wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:36 pm
I think that you have argued a defense for God, along the lines of perfection coming from evolution. Which is difficult to reconcile with.
Evolution seems to have been good to us.
Our main goal is to reproduce and we have done a lot of that.
Perhaps too much given our proximity to our own extinction.
What do you see as a lack of perfection in how our instincts guide us?
What have you not reconciled?
Regards
DL
I haven't reconciled animal life with a God that's universally benevolent; even if God isn't responsible for animals, it doesn't make sense as to why people on Earth are alone
By alone, I mean why are Earth versions of people without any government from the Gods, when God is meant to be called God.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:50 pmAlone as in you wanting another sentient intelligent alien species?trokanmariel wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:39 pmGreatest I am wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:33 pm
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Evolution seems to have been good to us.
Our main goal is to reproduce and we have done a lot of that.
Perhaps too much given our proximity to our own extinction.
What do you see as a lack of perfection in how our instincts guide us?
What have you not reconciled?
Regards
DL
I haven't reconciled animal life with a God that's universally benevolent; even if God isn't responsible for animals, it doesn't make sense as to why people on Earth are alone
I think you lost me on that, if it is your notion.
I see nature as universally benevolent and do not have the problem of evil that some have when believing in a supernatural god.
Even Christians sing that sin is a happy fault and necessary to god's plan. It is.
Not that Christians these days know how to do apologetics on that. Fact is they run away when I mention it because they are such poor apologists.
In our dualistic universe, good and evil, like Yin and Yang, compliment each other and are not in conflict.
Front and back compliment each other and are not in conflict.
Regards
DL
When people believed in many gods these gods were forces of nature including human nature. People lived close to nature long ago and they saw that there were powerful forces they had to recognise and harmonise with.By alone, I mean why are Earth versions of people without any government from the Gods, when God is meant to be called God.
???trokanmariel wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:36 pmBy alone, I mean why are Earth versions of people without any government from the Gods, when God is meant to be called God.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:50 pmAlone as in you wanting another sentient intelligent alien species?trokanmariel wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:39 pm
I haven't reconciled animal life with a God that's universally benevolent; even if God isn't responsible for animals, it doesn't make sense as to why people on Earth are alone
I think you lost me on that, if it is your notion.
I see nature as universally benevolent and do not have the problem of evil that some have when believing in a supernatural god.
Even Christians sing that sin is a happy fault and necessary to god's plan. It is.
Not that Christians these days know how to do apologetics on that. Fact is they run away when I mention it because they are such poor apologists.
In our dualistic universe, good and evil, like Yin and Yang, compliment each other and are not in conflict.
Front and back compliment each other and are not in conflict.
Regards
DL
I agree.Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:49 pm Trokenmariel wrote:
When people believed in many gods these gods were forces of nature including human nature. People lived close to nature long ago and they saw that there were powerful forces they had to recognise and harmonise with.By alone, I mean why are Earth versions of people without any government from the Gods, when God is meant to be called God.
When the one God was invented He was not a force of nature, He was a law giver, a product of human culture Who told men to have dominion over nature.
Forces of nature are very much still in charge. We need a new deity or set of deities.
I mean if there is God, who can recognise themself as God, along with the concept of rulership, why are people left to solely look after evolution when people aren't the creators of evolution?Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:09 pm???trokanmariel wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:36 pmBy alone, I mean why are Earth versions of people without any government from the Gods, when God is meant to be called God.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 5:50 pm
Alone as in you wanting another sentient intelligent alien species?
I think you lost me on that, if it is your notion.
I see nature as universally benevolent and do not have the problem of evil that some have when believing in a supernatural god.
Even Christians sing that sin is a happy fault and necessary to god's plan. It is.
Not that Christians these days know how to do apologetics on that. Fact is they run away when I mention it because they are such poor apologists.
In our dualistic universe, good and evil, like Yin and Yang, compliment each other and are not in conflict.
Front and back compliment each other and are not in conflict.
Regards
DL
Sorry. Lost me again. We do not seem to be on the same page, given you ignore questions.
Regards
DL
What a god sees in himself is not relevant.trokanmariel wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:19 pmI mean if there is God, who can recognise themself as God, along with the concept of rulership, why are people left to solely look after evolution when people aren't the creators of evolution?Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:09 pm???trokanmariel wrote: ↑Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:36 pm
By alone, I mean why are Earth versions of people without any government from the Gods, when God is meant to be called God.
Sorry. Lost me again. We do not seem to be on the same page, given you ignore questions.
Regards
DL