The Existence of God

Is there a God? If so, what is She like?

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The Existence of God

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To argue that God does not exist is to first define what God is thus resulting in the concept of God. God then exists as a concept therefore has an existence. To negate something is to first admit it exists in some form or function.
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Everything we can talk about exists as a concept - there is no other way to express anything without using concepts strung together in sentences which again provide some sort of explanation or definition...
Within this "world of concepts" there really is no difference between the concepts God, tree and unicorn - they all only exist conceptually (even the concept "existence" is such a concept - in essence: not more than an idea)
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:02 am To argue that God does not exist is to first define what God is thus resulting in the concept of God. God then exists as a concept therefore has an existence. To negate something is to first admit it exists in some form or function.
The negator cannot be negated.

The negator is 'Nothing' appearing as 'Everything/Something'.

Knowledge therefore, is a zero sum phenomena, it's a fictional imposition upon the real.

Sensation is the only reality. Pain is here to stay as long as sentience is a reality. No God can wipe away pain, until that God wipes every sentient creature off the face of the planet.

Religion lied to us. It was used as a tool to control the human mind, it was / is a human psyop.

Being is vastly overrated. It's like walking into a casino with the hope to win the jackpot, while most likely leaving without a dime.

Humans have difficulty accepting the reality that there are no winners here, no God is the only God.




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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:02 am To argue that God does not exist is to first define what God is thus resulting in the concept of God. God then exists as a concept therefore has an existence. To negate something is to first admit it exists in some form or function.
To argue that anything does or does not exist is to define what "existence" is" thus resulting in the concept of existence.
To argue that functions do or don't exist is to define what a function is thus resulting in the concept of a function.
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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:57 am The negator cannot be negated.
I can choose to negate the negator. I do not exist!
I can choose not to negate the negator. I exist!

I can choose to do anything I want with expression.
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Re: The Existence of God

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Skepdick wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:19 am
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:57 am The negator cannot be negated.
I can choose to negate the negator. I do not exist!
I can choose not to negate the negator. I exist!

I can choose to do anything I want with expression.
There is no I or chooser of expression, except in this conception. You cannot not exist.

How many more times shall we go round this merry-go-round.
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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:26 am There is no I or chooser of expression, except in this conception. You cannot not exist.
I can do whatever I like in a conception of "existence" and "non-existence" of my own making.
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:26 am How many more times shall we go round this merry-go-round.
Infinitely many. Till you understand that any premise you lay forth as law is a restriction upon my thought.
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Skepdick wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:28 am
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:26 am There is no I or chooser of expression, except in this conception. You cannot not exist.
I can. In a different conception of "existence" and "non-existence"
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:26 am How many more times shall we go round this merry-go-round.
Infinitely many. Till you understand that any premise you lay forth as law is a restriction upon my thought.
You cannot know you do not exist - you can only know you do exist through thought which is an illusion, and so you cannot even know you exist except in this illusory conception.
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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:33 am You cannot know you do not exist - you can only know you do exist through thought which is an illusion, and so you cannot even know you exist except in this illusory conception.
Knowing whether I exist or not depends on the conception of "existence".

I know I exist in one sense.
I know I do not exist in another.
I don't know whether I exist or not in a third.
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Skepdick wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:45 am
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:33 am You cannot know you do not exist - you can only know you do exist through thought which is an illusion, and so you cannot even know you exist except in this illusory conception.
Knowing whether I exist or not depends on the conception of "existence".

I exist in one sense.
I don't exist in another.
Yes. :D
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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:46 am
Skepdick wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:45 am
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:33 am You cannot know you do not exist - you can only know you do exist through thought which is an illusion, and so you cannot even know you exist except in this illusory conception.
Knowing whether I exist or not depends on the conception of "existence".

I exist in one sense.
I don't exist in another.
Yes. :D
it also depends on the conception of "knowledge".

I know I exist in one sense of knowledge.
I don't know I exist in another sense of knowledge.

So which sense of "existence" and "knowledge" do you have in mind?
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Skepdick wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:47 am
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:46 am
Skepdick wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:45 am
Knowing whether I exist or not depends on the conception of "existence".

I exist in one sense.
I don't exist in another.
Yes. :D
it also depends on the conception of "knowledge".

I know I exist in one sense of knowledge.
I don't know I exist in another sense of knowledge.

So which sense of "existence" and "knowledge" do you have in mind?
In answer to the question .. In the sense. :?:
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In the sense itself.

I sense I exist in the exact same way I sense I don’t exist.

There’s no negation there except in this sensed conception.
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Re: The Existence of God

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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:57 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:02 am To argue that God does not exist is to first define what God is thus resulting in the concept of God. God then exists as a concept therefore has an existence. To negate something is to first admit it exists in some form or function.
The negator cannot be negated.

The negator is 'Nothing' appearing as 'Everything/Something'.

Knowledge therefore, is a zero sum phenomena, it's a fictional imposition upon the real.

Sensation is the only reality. Pain is here to stay as long as sentience is a reality. No God can wipe away pain, until that God wipes every sentient creature off the face of the planet.

Religion lied to us. It was used as a tool to control the human mind, it was / is a human psyop.

Being is vastly overrated. It's like walking into a casino with the hope to win the jackpot, while most likely leaving without a dime.

Humans have difficulty accepting the reality that there are no winners here, no God is the only God.




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1. The void of void is the negation of negation. The void of void is being itself. Nothing negates itself as only being exists.

2. Religion is human reason based upon belief based relevations.

To say religion lied is to say human reason lied and to use the very same human reason in order to do so.
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Re: The Existence of God

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Skepdick wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:16 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:02 am To argue that God does not exist is to first define what God is thus resulting in the concept of God. God then exists as a concept therefore has an existence. To negate something is to first admit it exists in some form or function.
To argue that anything does or does not exist is to define what "existence" is" thus resulting in the concept of existence.
To argue that functions do or don't exist is to define what a function is thus resulting in the concept of a function.
Yes... the same applies to God.
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