The Existence of God

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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:33 am
Skepdick wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:28 am
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:26 am There is no I or chooser of expression, except in this conception. You cannot not exist.
I can. In a different conception of "existence" and "non-existence"
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:26 am How many more times shall we go round this merry-go-round.
Infinitely many. Till you understand that any premise you lay forth as law is a restriction upon my thought.
You cannot know you do not exist - you can only know you do exist through thought which is an illusion, and so you cannot even know you exist except in this illusory conception.
If thought is an illusion then your statement about thought is an illusion and you contradict yourself.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:36 pm Yes... the same applies to God.
It applies to all abstractions.

Freedom. Justice. Morality. Fairness.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:38 pm If thought is an illusion then your statement about thought is an illusion and you contradict yourself.
Contradictions don't exist.

If contradictions don't exist then nobody can contradict themselves.

If nobody can contradict themselves then I am not contradicting myself. What you think is a "contradiction" is something else.
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Re: The Existence of God

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Skepdick wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:05 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:38 pm If thought is an illusion then your statement about thought is an illusion and you contradict yourself.
Contradictions don't exist.

If contradictions don't exist then nobody can contradict themselves.

If nobody can contradict themselves then I am not contradicting myself. What you think is a "contradiction" is something else.
Your words:

"To argue that anything does or does not exist is to define what "existence" is" thus resulting in the concept of existence.
To argue that functions do or don't exist is to define what a function is thus resulting in the concept of a function."

Contradictions do exist.
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Re: The Existence of God

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Skepdick wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:02 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:36 pm Yes... the same applies to God.
It applies to all abstractions.

Freedom. Justice. Morality. Fairness.
All abstractions are real as abstractions, they act as the filters through which we move and interact through reality. The concept of God, as a filter for our actions, necessitates God as affecting the world empirically thus is empirical.
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Re: The Existence of God

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:38 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:33 am
Skepdick wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:28 am
I can. In a different conception of "existence" and "non-existence"


Infinitely many. Till you understand that any premise you lay forth as law is a restriction upon my thought.
You cannot know you do not exist - you can only know you do exist through thought which is an illusion, and so you cannot even know you exist except in this illusory conception.
If thought is an illusion then your statement about thought is an illusion and you contradict yourself.
No god is the only god is non-contradictory. No self is the only self is non- contradictory.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:35 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:57 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:02 am To argue that God does not exist is to first define what God is thus resulting in the concept of God. God then exists as a concept therefore has an existence. To negate something is to first admit it exists in some form or function.
The negator cannot be negated.

The negator is 'Nothing' appearing as 'Everything/Something'.

Knowledge therefore, is a zero sum phenomena, it's a fictional imposition upon the real.

Sensation is the only reality. Pain is here to stay as long as sentience is a reality. No God can wipe away pain, until that God wipes every sentient creature off the face of the planet.

Religion lied to us. It was used as a tool to control the human mind, it was / is a human psyop.

Being is vastly overrated. It's like walking into a casino with the hope to win the jackpot, while most likely leaving without a dime.

Humans have difficulty accepting the reality that there are no winners here, no God is the only God.




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1. The void of void is the negation of negation. The void of void is being itself. Nothing negates itself as only being exists.

2. Religion is human reason based upon belief based relevations.

To say religion lied is to say human reason lied and to use the very same human reason in order to do so.
The knowledge of god is a lie.

This is not difficult to comprehend.
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Declarations are a dime-a-dozen, as the saying goes. Reasoned declarations are valuable because they are rare. Well-reasoned declarations are more valuable, because they are more rare.
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Walker wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:00 pm Declarations are a dime-a-dozen, as the saying goes. Reasoned declarations are valuable because they are rare. Well-reasoned declarations are more valuable, because they are more rare.
Just a more fucktardery use of useless concepts.
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Re: The Existence of God

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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:49 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:38 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:33 am

You cannot know you do not exist - you can only know you do exist through thought which is an illusion, and so you cannot even know you exist except in this illusory conception.
If thought is an illusion then your statement about thought is an illusion and you contradict yourself.
No god is the only god is non-contradictory. No self is the only self is non- contradictory.
Yes it is as these statements oppose eachother through a dualism. A positive and negative are opposites. You are creating dualisms thus contradictions.
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Re: The Existence of God

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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:51 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:35 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:57 am

The negator cannot be negated.

The negator is 'Nothing' appearing as 'Everything/Something'.

Knowledge therefore, is a zero sum phenomena, it's a fictional imposition upon the real.

Sensation is the only reality. Pain is here to stay as long as sentience is a reality. No God can wipe away pain, until that God wipes every sentient creature off the face of the planet.

Religion lied to us. It was used as a tool to control the human mind, it was / is a human psyop.

Being is vastly overrated. It's like walking into a casino with the hope to win the jackpot, while most likely leaving without a dime.

Humans have difficulty accepting the reality that there are no winners here, no God is the only God.




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1. The void of void is the negation of negation. The void of void is being itself. Nothing negates itself as only being exists.

2. Religion is human reason based upon belief based relevations.

To say religion lied is to say human reason lied and to use the very same human reason in order to do so.
The knowledge of god is a lie.

This is not difficult to comprehend.
This is knowledge of supreme truth, ie God, thus a contradiction.
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Re: The Existence of God

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:42 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:49 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:38 pm

If thought is an illusion then your statement about thought is an illusion and you contradict yourself.
No god is the only god is non-contradictory. No self is the only self is non- contradictory.
Yes it is as these statements oppose eachother through a dualism. A positive and negative are opposites. You are creating dualisms thus contradictions.
But we're dealing with knowledge here. Which implies a knower.


Nothing knows knowledge = Non-dual

Or

Something knows knows knowledge = Dual

REality is Non-dual.

Non-duality is duality the only re-ality there is. Language made of words is an artificial divider, an artifical overlay inseparable from it's original source which is wholly ONE

Contradiction or paradox exist in language only, an illusion. In reality there are no contradictions or paradoxes.

Unfortunately, there is no way to separate the knower from the known, there really isn't. Separation is an illusion.

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Re: The Existence of God

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:43 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:51 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:35 pm

1. The void of void is the negation of negation. The void of void is being itself. Nothing negates itself as only being exists.

2. Religion is human reason based upon belief based relevations.

To say religion lied is to say human reason lied and to use the very same human reason in order to do so.
The knowledge of god is a lie.

This is not difficult to comprehend.
This is knowledge of supreme truth, ie God, thus a contradiction.
It's a belief.

A belief is an artificial imposition upon what has no position, therefore, empty at it's core, an illusion.

Knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of reality. A Not-knowing.
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Natural verse Revealed Theology is basic to a Philosophy 150 Introduction for the Existence of God. A reading of the Bible, or Holy Koran is basic to a Philosophy 150 introduction for the Existence of God. Natural verse Revealed Theology is a reading of the Bible, or Holy Koran. Hume to Spinoza will give you an epistemic and/or rationalist view of God. Enlightenment will give you an epistemic and/or rationalist view of God. Hume to Spinoza view will give you Enlightenment. A priori versus a posteriori concepts-epistemic, propositions, knowledge, arguments-in modal logic. Logical versus Physical an a priori versus a posteriori concepts-epistemic, proposition, knowledge, arguments. Logical versus Physical in modal logic.
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Re: The Existence of God

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:02 am To argue that God does not exist is to first define what God is thus resulting in the concept of God. God then exists as a concept therefore has an existence. To negate something is to first admit it exists in some form or function.
The tooth fairy does not exist, therefore it exists in some form. Is that right?
Therefore, god exists in the same way the tooth fairy exists.
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