gaffo wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 1:37 am
You prob know mre than me - my acestors wre Southern Baptists... Methodists are almost identical to southern Baptists - outside of once save always saved (which i thing the baptists are wong on - a get out of jail card for fre" imo - bapts s ay "Well if so and so killed his familiy then he was not saved in teh first place - double standard - bogwash that denis backsliding).
Thanks for sharing so honestly.
I don't think that's what the theology actually says, so if you've run into folks who think that way, I think they're probably untypical...and maybe don't understand what they're supposed to be believing. But perhaps you've met folks just like that.
Its small comfort that 'god move in mysterious ways" when your kid is dead, but maybe better than noting?
No, I'd agree with you...that's a terrible answer...really, a non-answer, more than anything.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 12:45 am
I have met very nice people of different religions and none. Some of them are very nice human beings indeed. But I have never yet met one that becoming a Christian made
worse.
thats i difficult thing to confirm - unless you've know former Hindus/Muslims/Jews that converted to Chritianity
Well, yes, I certainly have...and would say exactly the same for them. But I was primarily thinking of the cases I mentioned...people who were addicted or involved in crime, or who had suffered abuse, or had been on the streets, or who struggled with depression...all kinds of things. I've known a lot of those sorts. They are much better saved than lost. But I was also talking about the one person about whom I know most -- myself. And I'm quite sure I would be much the worse for not being a Christian.
i suspect you were a good amn prior and had humity also.
Oh, I wish I could say so much of myself. But the truth is that very little of either quality is intrinsic to me. No, I'm much better for knowing Christ, and I'm sure everybody who knows me thinks the same. No harm in admitting that: it's the truth. Part of being a Christian is seeing oneself for what one is, and stopping the games we play with ourselves when we try to make excuses for our own character faults.
If you ask almost anyone, from upstanding citizen to felon, whether or not they are a good person, almost all will say, "Sure." They might be murderers, but they'll still say the same thing. We're not really very honest with ourselves most of the time, and we keep our finger on the scales we use to weigh ourselves, I'm afraid. That's just how human nature tends to operate.
I don't think my conversion would make me a better man - in fact i think it might make me worse - inststing i know the Truth and others i must convert or else dserve hell forever - an issue i have with your religion - hell forever with immortal souls that are on earth only for a short time.
Well, there's nobody in Hell who doesn't chosen it. And there's nobody in heaven who hasn't chosen that, either. So either way, we get what we choose. And from that perspective, that seems quite fair.
There's more to say about that, of course; but that's a starting point.
thanks for reply as always.
Likewise.