seeds wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:12 pm
Lacewing wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:33 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:48 pm
But we don't live in that kind of universe. People choose different things all the time, without experiencing any reward or punishment. The key word is "eternal," because right now, we are not in eternity...
Yes, "eternal" was the key word... which you ignored and didn't answer to. Instead, you switched the question to the present moment. Did you really not understand that I was referring to the rewards and punishment promised
after life?
Actually, what Mr. Can seems to have the most trouble understanding is that fate could have allowed for a tiny little shift in Mr. Can's situation wherein he could have been born from the womb of a Hindu mother, or Buddhist mother, or a Muslim mother and thus have been brainwashed into accepting the doctrines of one of those other religions.
Exactly - adn my other best friend of 20 yrs now - who is a funie Baptist - affimrs just your view and has said many times " if i were boprn in indai i would not be brought up a christian" - so you are correct - adn some funies - per my experience Christian - but as a univeral humanist - that means equal number ofHindu Nationalists, adn Muslim fudies would asl affirm the same view.
I've nver understood how my good firend could squar3 the circle - "ya i would have have been born a muslim if i were born in Yemen in 1965 instread of america - but at the same time one needs chrsit to be saved fro Hell eternal.
- my good friend is not a dkck, and very intelligent - samrtyer than me (20 yrs of chess very workday - he wins 52 percent of the ttime) - but he's not a thinker. not introspective in any way. in fack though he is smarter than me i think iam wiser - or maybe justI'm just a assohole egocentic wannabe smart guy.
my point is - no Muslim. Chrastiasn,etc - has really thought about it - not really. most folks are not thinkers - they just live life, assume god ais good and will not let their best friend sit in hell forever if they dny the one true God or affirm the wrong god.
its not rocket science - using intellect you end up with "i',n god" - maybe intellect is not all there is (its not, there is feeling alsom) - but per the bigger picture outside of those 2 - empiricsm does not offer proof. so must folks bing good and liking and loving their good friends wish their god will not send them to hell forever - evne if th Koran/OIT/NT - says I go t ohell forever!
And according to those three books i will - and forever being an Athiest.
I have 5 close fired - ad 2 more more not quit thre - of those 5, 4 are Christian, of those 2 are Fundie - no error in the bible/etc.
those 2 knew i was an atheist 20 yrs ago - i now them from work - met and became friends - they knowing i was an atheist (i'm not proud nor shamfull - just stated the facts) - they chose to affirm me as a person - and liking me (not being introspectiv - reading all the spripture that says i go to hell fover) - instad they assume since "i am a nice atheist" i will not be damne dto hell forever (so in effect their god will make an exception in my case becasue they like me as a friend and person) - i hope they are right - but t\heir bibile make no such claim.
seeds wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:12 pm
And the point is that God is not going to punish (or reward) anyone based on where (or when) they were awakened into life in this "crapshoot" system of soul-birthing
that God herself created.
No no no no no no no!!!!!!!!!!!!and Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm an Athiest - so there is not God - if i find myself alive in hell after my dat via this realm - then i will no longer be an Athiest but a "belvier" in whatever God/s rule Hell. - and still sit there forever - so the books tell me.
Why you assume God is a nice guy? - instead of a pure asshole? - becasue you are not an assshole so assume your creator is not also. - is this an article of faith o your part?
per me - i assume god does not exist - if he does i assume he is neither moral nor evil. - so being objective i can see your god/s existing and dick and denying my salvation from the belly of Hell - you Koran and OT adn NT all three same the same thing - after you die it iis too late to repent (so god/the gods are assholes to deny repentance and salvation from hell ---------------where you and i differ is:
you seem to say - "i like the idea that god is good like i am - where i stand is ther eis no evidence of god in this life, but i make no assumptions he is just - i vaule humiltiy - is is humble to assume your god is just? if he is not? - can you make him just if he is not?
i make no such assumptions - you seem to - fk not even know if you are a Chrsitian or not - noted your posts over the years - most worhthy per character - a good one - but never noted if you were a christian or not - my bad. welcome clarification.
2-cents.