Great response, Henry... thanks.
Okay, so... if we do any/all of these things, we do not know truth... and actual truth is lost on us, yes?henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 4:44 pm Our ignorance may have us misunderstand truth, mislabel truth, conflate truth with non-truth, but truth itself exists independently of our misapprehensions.[/i]
And how can we know if a static truth even exists in regard to the creation we see? Humans imagine static truths because humans like to imagine that things can be "knowable" by them. But does such a knowledge really make any sense for us?
That sounds like a reasonable description, and that is what I see too.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 4:44 pmNone. A Creator, if it exists, as I reckon it, doesn't need or care about representation. Man describes the Creator, defines it, creates representations of it, for himself. Man attempts to give a shape, a form, to that which is outside of convention, outside Euclidian thinkin'. He calls it God, or Maker, or Creator becuz he has no better word for it.Lacewing wrote:What kind of a god would need to be represented by such old material?
Man struggles to lay a symbol on it, to get a handle on sumthin' ineffable (or that may not exist).
Prime Mover, The Unmoved Mover, The First Principle, etc., man applies these placeholders to what seems apparent but is mysterious. Along with the placeholders, some men craft narratives, sometimes to more cleanly or clearly define what or who the Creator is, sometimes to create hierarchies wherein they are the top dog, but these stories are for man's benefit or profit, not God's.
What I wonder is why we would believe and perpetuate something that is built on archaic beliefs and language, rather than that which is more present? Some churches do attempt to align with our current era, and to embrace what's common in many belief systems. Evolving beliefs along with humankind seems to make the most sense. It is those who rigidly cling to archaic scripts and symbols that seem to diminish the potential and expansion of spiritual ideas.
Such often seems like a complete rejection of who we are and what we are capable of NOW, seemingly in favor of worshipping old idols that cannot be proven or realistically examined in today's light. It seems hidden in shadows.
Are there other ideas/beliefs that we would think it reasonable to identify with to such a degree from ancient history, if such stories were not experienced personally by us? If we want to envision a god/creator, why not imagine it as something much more sensible than what fearful ancients imagined and used to control each other? If we cannot visualize the best of ourselves, how can we visualize a more evolved god/creator? And why would we subscribe to anything less, except to control and be controlled?