It appears to be the [very interesting] case that there are two main types of individual who resist the idea that we exist within a simulated reality.VVilliam wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:25 pmIndeed. I am not arguing you said anything else. I will continue to argue that you are willfully resisting [won't buy into] my rational argument against your own claims in relation to experiences people like myself and Jesus and Saul and Daniel and Adam and Eve and John the Beloved Disciple have.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:14 pmTwist. I won't buy in. I told you...I can see that technique. You're not fooling anyone.
I don't have a "hallucination theory." What I said was that you were describing hallucinations.
I will also continue to point out that the creator obviously sees our universe as something he simulated, because that is the only rational conclusion one can come to based upon your claims about the creator.
In that, I have successfully argued that we should also learn to see our universe in the same way that the creator sees it.
1: Christians who believe that this [the physical] universe is 'real'
2: Atheists who are compelled not to believe we exist within a simulated reality [creation] because to do so would move them from the atheist position
In that, both those types of Christians AND Atheists have something fundamental in common...
They cannot accept that we exist within a simulated reality.
[ One through resistance and the other through compulsion ]
Both would argue along the lines that anyone who has experienced alternative realities 'may' have been 'hallucinating' - and the Christians mentioned, would add to this other arguments such as "the devil is deceiving you"
I have successfully shown that Christians who believe we exist within a 'real' universe which their god 'created' MUST have to acknowledge that the creation has to be a simulation.
My reasoning for this is;
Why would a believer in this god called this universe [place] real?
Surely Christians can understand from what they have claimed about the creator, that he must see this universe as a simulation which he created.
Furthermore, he can interact with his simulation in order to make things appear to happen in relation to those within said simulation.
He can make Adam and Eve think they are talking with a Wise Serpent.
He can make the lions think that Daniel is non-edible.
He can make a group of men fishing think that Jesus was walking on water.
He can make Saul think he was encountering a vision of Jesus on the road to Damascus
He can even uplift the beloved disciple John and give John a fully immersed experience of yet another simulation which said disciple then reports to other humans about his experience in that alternate reality.
[He can also give William [and others] a few experience in order to show William a thing or two about what William thinks/assumes about reality in relation to what actually is reality.]
So IF the creator can do as Christians claim, THEN the creator has to see the truth that his creation is a "simulation" which was created for a purpose.
Which then has me asking "if your god sees our reality as not really real, why would Christians insist that it is really real...even to the point of using a classical atheist argument [you could be hallucinating] in order to try to debunk alternate reality experiences as 'not real' while maintaining that the characters and heroes of their mythology did have real alternate experiences and are the genuine article?
Have the "sheep sent out among wolves" succumbed to the practice of wolvery themselves?