Don't you see how...the belief in a God is what divides humanity?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:27 pmI hope it does. It should. The truth always seems to do that. And it's the most important issue in the universe.
The division is indirectly caused by the false idea that the ''truth'' belongs to an individual person. My reasoning says that ''truth'' is not an ''owned truth'', but there is only TRUTH and that every thing and no thing is truth. Truth is always what is happening, whether it be an evil or a good action, it will be a truth because it's actually happening as witnessed. Is it true that an evil act is being commited? yes, is it true that a good action is being commited? yes as witnessed. This is how knowledge works. It's known that evil actions are true as witnessed, same goes for good actions are true as witnessed.
Religion can get complicated when it points to the existence of a human and God relationship. That belief is a division right there. We cannot blame human reasoning for working out that a human and God relationship is obviously from a knowledge point of view implying there is a division.
That's why the nondualist speakers arrived on the scene, to try and clean us the apparent mess made by the God and man relationship religion.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:27 pm This is why Jesus said,
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to turn a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; nd a person’s enemies will be the members of his household." (Matt. 10:34-36), and again,
"Now brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. And you will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved." (Matt. 10:21-22)
These are not my words, and not my authority. I do not claim that they are. But I believe the words, and acknowledge the Authority.
Yes, you are just identifying with your own man made conformation bias, you read something that is written, and then you decide whether your belief is compatible with the script you are reading. Can't you see if the script you are reading are compatible with what you know to be true, then it's as if you yourself wrote that scripture.
The human hand held the pen that penned the words that is scripture IC... so all you are doing is identifying with your own ideas.
You cannot just say, they are not my ideas but God's because that creates an artificial division that's just not there in reality. So this is why Nondual literature makes more sense. However, it only makes sense to the truely open reader, not the ego character who's only desire is what's in this for me type of attitude, like eternal life for example.
I mean what on earth is eternal life for an individual ego ? how does that work? that does not make any rational sense. And yet you bleat on and on about wanting these discussions to make rational sense. . see the hypocrisy?
How does Jesus was in Mary before Joseph supposed to make rational sense to you, me or anyone else?
The way I interpret that statement...goes something like
An immaculate conception, in so far as there is no one living life, and that life is living itself which is actually true. There is only life living itself. And that which is growing the grass is also growing you.
No thing can know it knows, there is only things known...aka conceptually in this conception. That is what is meant by knowledge...it's in the dream of separation, the dream is real enough, simply because there is an awareness that the dream is happening. But the awareness is the same awareness in every creature, so it's not that the creature owns the awareness, the awareness owns the sentient creature.
Knowledge is simply in the dream of separation, it's an artificial divide mannie, because the dreamer is inseparable from the dream.
So in the dream, we can know right from wrong, good from bad, and we can be responsible for each good or bad action as we know them to be as we experience their consequences by direct experience of them, because only in the dream can we understand causes and their effects. And this is what's known as the human condition, a world of unconditional conditions.
Sorry for the longs posts, but this takes ages to explain, so I'll leave it there for now.
Anyways, I always enjoy discussing with you mannie. I know you are an intelligent person. I like engaging with intelligent people.
I like discussing with bahman as well, for this character is also easy to talk with.
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