Yeah...no. Not seeing it.
You'd better explain.
Yeah...no. Not seeing it.
You'd better explain...what is it the you are 'not seeing'?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:51 pmYeah...no. Not seeing it.VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:39 pmI can show you where he did.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:30 pm
Can you show where Christ told you to "co-create" your own path? I can show where he didn't.
You'd better explain.
Your other "path." Your "co-created" one.
Oh I see. You showed me evidence and I showed you the same evidence but you don't understand my evidence. Because I, like you - didn't explain.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:13 pmYour other "path." Your "co-created" one.
You said that Christ advocated two paths, and that was one. I showed you the one I know. So now, it's only fair you show me the other one. Have you got evidence of what you said?
Not at all. Nor do I need it explained to me how many different interpretations can derive from one sentence.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:14 pmYou need John 14:6 explained to you? What was difficult?
I have made an effort and am now awaiting you to furnish your interpretation of said sentence...are you not familiar with 'one step at a time'?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:51 amAre you going to explain it? Or are we wasting our time?
I was simply mirroring the way you yourself waste my time...and it worked.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:20 amI am familiar with "wasting time." I try not to do it.
So bye.
tillingborn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:38 pmJesus was fairly adamant: "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's foes will be members of one's own household. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. It may be that is meant metaphorically, but I think any God is massively over-estimating the poetic sensibilities of His own creation if He doesn't appreciate that some people will take it more literally than others.What is evolving? God or prophets?
But God and Jesus are two different persons. Jesus never claimed to be God. Jesus among other personality traits seems to have been a poetic Jew.It may be that is meant metaphorically, but I think any God is massively over-estimating the poetic sensibilities of His own creation if He doesn't appreciate that some people will take it more literally than others.
When a man evolves and when a culture evolves it's the ideas as well as the practices that evolve.What is evolving? God or prophets?
I do not believe mystical experiences are caused directly by Supernatural Order. Mystical experiences are real and are caused by natural, causal process.VVilliam wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:52 pmIf the philosopher understands disembodied consciousness is possible through having direct experience...Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:33 amWhen philosophers pretend to be disembodied consciousnesses they should do this for the purpose of thought experiment , always with the caveat that disembodied consciousness is impossible.VVilliam wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 5:56 pm
We are left with one thing certain. That any type of enquiry first has to have something real in which the enquiry itself can be expressed from.
In that, the only real 'thing' is that which is making the enquiry. IF 'things' didn't exist in which to bounce off [make enquiry of] THEN what would one have to enquire about, except ones self?
Even if that which makes the enquiry is within a simulation, this does not mean that it is hallucinating.
Now IF we call this 'thing' which is doing the enquiring, "The Creator", THEN it becomes the source of everything else. [that which is being enquired about]
In that if we call everything else "The Creation" wherein does The Creator get what we in The Creation refer to as "materials" in which to do the creating with?
One answer is that the materials [as we experience them within said physical Universe primarily Planet Earth] are not 'gotten' from anywhere by The Creator, but are essentially The Mind of The Creator.
Therefore would could ascertain from this, that The Creators Mind has voids/blank areas in which The Creator imagines into existence "things" and these are referred to as "Creations" "Simulations" "Hallucinations" etc by the individuate consciousnesses within said creations, which experience these "things" as "real".
From this we could also ascertain that the individuate consciousnesses are not imagined and thus created by The Creator, but are actually [altogether] the consciousness [that which enquires] which is The Creator...essentially we are all [consciousness] The Creator experiencing The Creator's Creation.
Subjectivity is imperative for learning from experience.
Like when Jesus was tempted in the desert by his devil?Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:31 amI do not believe mystical experiences are caused directly by Supernatural Order. Mystical experiences are real and are caused by natural, causal process.
Many conscientious people have mixed loyalties. The good choice is often the harder way of life, and the good choice often pertains to changing from the narrower good to the more universal good. This can be very hard to do because it may cause you to be unpopular with old friends and relations.