WHAT 'bullet points'?VVilliam wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:31 amVVilliam wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:47 pm
Clearly in the bullet points Adam is testing Eve...as he still has to eat of the fruit himself in order to experience the effects. He waits to see if Eve [whom the author of the bullet points refers to as "the Woman] comes to any harm.
So in that, your observation requires adjusting in order to explain the symbolism therein.
Thus - you have to include the Serpent as part of the symbolism which explains Adams actions...then we can proceed to the god. [as per your belief that the overall characters in the bullet points are representative of the individual.]
Also - there is the author of the bullet points to consider as part of the overall symbolism...and from there, also the source of the authors material - The actual story itself.
As you adjust your understanding of the symbolism, you will see something which has been hidden from your eyes...which to answer another question from 'age' "is the point of my creating this thread and examining the question "who sinned first".
iow - it is not wrongdoing unless something is being purposefully covered up...and is directly linked to the gods question "Who told you that you are naked"?There was none of that in the bullet points. So no.So, are you suggesting here that you could go and rape and/or kill another human being, for example, but this would NOT be wrongdoing if you purposely do not 'cover this up' by going and telling others? Or, say, by doing this raping and/or killong on video, for others to bear witness to and see, then this is NOT wrongdoing at all either?
I have ALREADY ASKED you to CLARIFY WHAT they ARE and/or WHERE they ARE. You did NOT respond to this request, so I am NOT necessarily going to LOOK FOR some thing, which may or may NOT even exist.
If you are too lazy or just too ignorant to tell me WHAT 'bullet points' that you are referring to, then, to 'me', I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to reference AT ALL.
Also, you made a CLAIM here. I was just finding out how much ACTUAL Truth was in that CLAIM. You have already provided HOW MUCH.
WHY do you CLAIM that 'It' is NOT just the God of the bible called 'God', by some human beings.VVilliam wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:31 amCorrect.By the way, the answer to God's question, "Who told you that you are naked?" is the same answer as to 'Who tells you EVERY thing, which is True, Right, and Correct?
Also correct apart from that it isn't just the god of the bible called "God" by the Christians. [so not to confuse the reader if that is what you are implying.]Thee Knowing, which is ALWAYS True, Right, and Correct, or God, the inner Tutor and Teacher within, which is ALWAYS guiding and instructing.
What is the God, "of the bible, EXACTLY?
And, HOW is the God, "of the bible", NOT the EXACT SAME 'It', which is the inner Tutor and Teacher within, which is ALWAYS guiding and instructing?
What do you think or believe is the ACTUAL DIFFERENCE here between these two 'Its'?
Of course, it is up to 'you', individual human beings, to figure things out.VVilliam wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:31 amWhich, by the way, is a DIFFERENT answer to the question, 'Who says EVERY thing, which is False, Wrong, and Incorrect?
The thinking, which can EITHER be true or false, right or wrong, and/or correct or incorrect, or you, the one which is the deceiving and lying one, but is NOT always.
Now you are scoping into various rooms of the individuals humanity. It is for the individual to figure out the mysteries involved therein.
To some, however, there is, obviously, far less, so called, "mysteries" to 'figure out' to some then there are to "others".
In case you are NOT YET AWARE it is much harder to have a discussion with "another" IF and WHEN the "other" keeps referring to some, alleged, "bullet points" but NEVER actually ever explains WHAT those 'bullet points' ARE nor WHERE they ARE, relative to when some one does ACTUALLY explain WHAT and WHERE the 'bullet points' ARE.VVilliam wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:31 amYes. But as the bullet points observe, this is not what they did, and Adam was the reason for that.Could being 'naked' BEFORE "adam" and "eve" did what they KNEW was wrong, just refer to the fact that they were always 'exposed' but had nothing to fear nor be ashamed about nor of? By just being together as one and NOT doing ANY thing wrong AT ALL, then could have they just have been thy True Selves with absolutely NOTHING to fear?
I am NOT SURE how 'it' was "adam's" doing if "adam" itself was created by some other thing else. Does this NOT imply that 'it' was some thing's else 'doing'?VVilliam wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:31 amCorrect. In that you are presenting an argument that all this was necessary in order for humanity to become what humanity is today.But, could, when "adam" and "eve" realized that they were being 'exposed' for KNOWING that they KNEW what is right from wrong but that they had then CHOSEN to do the wrong thing, that that is when they REALIZED realized that they were 'naked', and thus being 'exposed'? And if so, then is this WHEN they chose to gather fig leaves and cover themselves up with loincloth or 'clothing', which could just be a symbol for 'trying to' cover up thee True Self with some sort of 'mask', or also known as a 'personality'. After all prior to this TAKING of what they KNEW was WRONG, they were just 'man' and 'woman', or in other just words just 'male' and 'female' of the animal species; human being. Until then they had NOT YET become the 'persons', which we see and experience 'today', hither to when this is being read.
This does not take away the fact that it was Adams doing.
Or, maybe it would be much better if I just CLARIFIED with you FIRST what you actually mean by the 'it' word here. So, what EXACTLY is 'it' what you CLAIM 'it' was "adams'" doing?
To do 'what', EXACTLY?
What is the 'this' word in relation to EXACTLY?
The MORE CLEARER you ARE, then the LESS there is to ASSUME.
I do NOT like to ASSUME ANY thing, therefore I want to CLARIFY, FIRST. Which is very time consuming.
What are you referring to now?
You said, previously, that;
"it is not wrongdoing unless something is being purposefully covered up".
I just brought up the 'rape and/or killing' of "others", which some of you human beings do, to find out, from your perspective, whether this is RIGHT or WRONG doing, when either of these doings is NOT being purposefully covered up?
But I am NOT sure what this observation I made has to do with what you are saying or 'trying to' suggest here.
Again, you are using the 'it' word and the 'this' word here, but I, again, have NO idea what this 'it' and the 'this' words are in relation to, EXACTLY.
What does, "it is not the sin but the hiding of the sin which causes 'this' to happen" actually referring to, EXACTLY?
What is 'this', here?
Again, this is very much left up to INTERPRETATION.
What 'wrong', supposedly, MUST BE 'put right in, what, 'order' for 'that' (whatever 'that' is) to stop altogether.
What 'order' of right and/or wrong are you talking about and referring to here also?
Yes.VVilliam wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:31 amHave you ever experienced being a human being?By the way, when 'you', human beings, start learning, and understanding, EXACTLY HOW the Mind and the brain ACTUALLY WORK, then you will start SEEING, and KNOWING, who and what A 'person' IS, and HOW 'they' become EXACTLY who and what they ARE, which is to 'try' as hard as they can to cover up and MASK who and what thee True Self ACTUALLY IS.
I say what I do for VERY SPECIFIC REASONS. Of which, will be REVEALED, soon enough.
My point PROVEN.
If and when you learn and understand who and what the 'I' IS and who and what the 'you' IS, then you WILL SEE 'things' are a bit differently than you do now.
Has it EVER occurred to ANY of 'you' that it could be or actually was the 'human being', itself, which was the vessel through which wrongdoing, itself, passed into the "world"?VVilliam wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:31 amWell I never saw it that way until you mentioned it. The thread itself would have to go viral for that to happen.Which 'you', "vvilliam", ALREADY KNOW the answers to, correct, as you CLAIM here that you have created this thread to SHOW and REVEAL to 'us', the MILLIONS with the WRONG IMPRESSIONS, the True nature of what has been hidden from our eyes, correct?
Rather I was saying that millions [but actually it is billions] of people believe that Eve was the vessel through which wrongdoing passed into the world.
And that the symbols of 'man' ("adam") and 'woman' ("eve") were used for OTHER REASONS?
REALLY 'who' CARES?
To 'me', BOTH the males AND the females of the adult human beings BOTH do WRONG.
LOOKING that one caused the other to do WRONG, to 'me', is just a very narrowed view of things.
To me, besides the sexual organs of the human body there is NO other difference between the 'female' and 'male' in natural terms.
Okay. So, a human being, within a 'story', named "adam" sinned FIRST. I will let this "new" information have its momentum, and just WAIT and SEE what happens.VVilliam wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:31 amYes - but that occurs naturally enough as one adapts to the new information and lets it have its momentum. It is a mountain to move, for sure.By the way, besides YOUR CLAIM that " "adam" sinned first ", if 'we' supposedly adjust our understanding and 'we' do actually see 'that', what you claim here was, so called, "hidden from our eyes", which is; just that "adam sinned first", then is there any other actually purpose in now knowing that "adam (supposedly) sinned first", other than that you have just informed us of this, while knowing that you are CLAIMING that this was some hidden message, sign, or thing?
I now wonder though WHY you are coming across so 'secretive'?
Maybe you have some thing to hide or are just hiding some 'thing' "yourself"?
Who do you think or believe here in this forum agrees with you that "adam sinned first"
So, you will find the effort and time to do this, but you will NOT just answer my clarifying questions Honestly and OPENLY.
Would you now like to propose what is HIDDEN in this message ALSO?VVilliam wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:31 am NOT NOT EVERY ALWAYS ALWAYS DIFFERENT EVERY EITHER NOT BEFORE KNEW NOT ANY AT ALL, NOTHING KNOWING KNEW CHOSEN REALIZED WHEN TAKING KNEW WRONG NOT YET EXACTLY HOW ACTUALLY WORK SEEING KNOWING HOW EXACTLY ARE MASK ACTUALLY IS PROOF SO GOOD ANY ACTUAL AND HIDDEN MASK ALREADY KNOW CLAIM SHOW REVEAL MILLIONS WRONG IMPRESSIONS YOUR CLAIM CLAIMING HIDDEN OUR