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Why should we be blamed?

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Why should we be blamed for coming to this world and playing a role that God is the Grand Designer?
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Who is the blamer?

What is critical here is all humans should understand and accept whatever is given [justified empirically and philosophically] and strive to optimize one's well being within whatever constraints.

When one wrongly judge to chase whatever is not given as justifiable empirically and philosophically [in your case an eternal soul that survives physical death], then one will be subjected to unnecessary mental sufferings till physical death.
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bahman wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:56 pm Why should we be blamed for coming to this world and playing a role that God is the Grand Designer?
Who is being BLAMED for coming into this "world"? Who are 'you' referring to when 'you' used the 'we' word here?

By the way, there is a MASSIVELY HUGE DISTINCTION between a new born and 'child', FROM an 'adult' human being.

Work out what 'that' IS, EXACTLY, then 'you' might reword your question here to fit in with thee ACTUAL Truth of 'things' a bit more closely.

We will just have to WAIT and SEE.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:43 am Who is the blamer?
God.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:43 am What is critical here is all humans should understand and accept whatever is given [justified empirically and philosophically] and strive to optimize one's well being within whatever constraints.
That is not always possible.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:43 am When one wrongly judge to chase whatever is not given as justifiable empirically and philosophically [in your case an eternal soul that survives physical death], then one will be subjected to unnecessary mental sufferings till physical death.
I don't think so.
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Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am
bahman wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:56 pm Why should we be blamed for coming to this world and playing a role that God is the Grand Designer?
Who is being BLAMED for coming into this "world"? Who are 'you' referring to when 'you' used the 'we' word here?
Anyone who is subjected to sin.
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am By the way, there is a MASSIVELY HUGE DISTINCTION between a new born and 'child', FROM an 'adult' human being.
Yes, they have different experiences.
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am Work out what 'that' IS, EXACTLY, then 'you' might reword your question here to fit in with thee ACTUAL Truth of 'things' a bit more closely.

We will just have to WAIT and SEE.
I hope that things are clear now.
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bahman wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:56 pm Why should we be blamed for coming to this world and playing a role that God is the Grand Designer?
This is a VERY good point bahman (and one indeed where for many moons I have need of a barman)

Y indeed should we be born into this REAL_IT_Y that GOD has formed us within, to then be WOT? ...entertainment?

..certainly it is not just to C if we fuk up for us to share some B_LAME?

..or is it? IS GOD that bored with knowing everything, that IT gets more kicks out of seeing US fuck up?


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bahman wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:36 pm
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am
bahman wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:56 pm Why should we be blamed for coming to this world and playing a role that God is the Grand Designer?
Who is being BLAMED for coming into this "world"? Who are 'you' referring to when 'you' used the 'we' word here?
Anyone who is subjected to sin.
But EVERY human being is OBVIOUSLY 'subjected to sin'. And, who EXACTLY is doing the blaming?
bahman wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:36 pm
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am By the way, there is a MASSIVELY HUGE DISTINCTION between a new born and 'child', FROM an 'adult' human being.
Yes, they have different experiences.
Do they?

And what do you propose are those different experiences?

There is ONLY One True 'Thing' from which to experience from, so HOW can there REALLY be different experiences to a 'child' from an 'adult', besides the fact that the younger one is the MORE of thee ACTUAL Truth they LOOK AT and SEE?
bahman wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:36 pm
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am Work out what 'that' IS, EXACTLY, then 'you' might reword your question here to fit in with thee ACTUAL Truth of 'things' a bit more closely.

We will just have to WAIT and SEE.
I hope that things are clear now.
But thee ACTUAL Truth of 'things' is VERY CLEAR.

YOUR wording, however, and unfortunately, is just NOT REVEALING THIS.

By the way, you have NOT YET worked out what the MASSIVELY HUGE DISTINCTION is between 'child' and 'adult' human being.
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attofishpi wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:32 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:56 pm Why should we be blamed for coming to this world and playing a role that God is the Grand Designer?
This is a VERY good point bahman (and one indeed where for many moons I have need of a barman)

Y indeed should we be born into this REAL_IT_Y that GOD has formed us within, to then be WOT? ...entertainment?

..certainly it is not just to C if we fuk up for us to share some B_LAME?

..or is it? IS GOD that bored with knowing everything, that IT gets more kicks out of seeing US fuck up?


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Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:59 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:36 pm
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am
Who is being BLAMED for coming into this "world"? Who are 'you' referring to when 'you' used the 'we' word here?
Anyone who is subjected to sin.
But EVERY human being is OBVIOUSLY 'subjected to sin'. And, who EXACTLY is doing the blaming?
People in name of God who does not exist.
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am
bahman wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:36 pm
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am By the way, there is a MASSIVELY HUGE DISTINCTION between a new born and 'child', FROM an 'adult' human being.
Yes, they have different experiences.
Do they?
Yes, and that is the only difference between them.
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am And what do you propose are those different experiences?
All sorts of things, getting punished by society for doing sin for example.
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am There is ONLY One True 'Thing' from which to experience from, so HOW can there REALLY be different experiences to a 'child' from an 'adult', besides the fact that the younger one is the MORE of thee ACTUAL Truth they LOOK AT and SEE?
That might be the case. Mostly adults know more.
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am
bahman wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:36 pm
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am Work out what 'that' IS, EXACTLY, then 'you' might reword your question here to fit in with thee ACTUAL Truth of 'things' a bit more closely.

We will just have to WAIT and SEE.
I hope that things are clear now.
But thee ACTUAL Truth of 'things' is VERY CLEAR.

YOUR wording, however, and unfortunately, is just NOT REVEALING THIS.

By the way, you have NOT YET worked out what the MASSIVELY HUGE DISTINCTION is between 'child' and 'adult' human being.
Adult is more knowledgeable and probably more resistance against stress or sin.
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bahman wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:56 pm Why should we be blamed for coming to this world and playing a role that God is the Grand Designer?
- They say that a person doesn’t make the job, the job makes the person.

- Everyone is born to a job.

- That job is custodian of the body that the person did not create.
- Everyone is a custodian.

- Some custodians get creative and experiment with redesigning the body a little, or as much as possible.

- Some custodians suffer accidental body damage, but no matter the vehicle’s form, the responsibility for the form lies with the custodian.

- Funny to think that no matter how big the VIP, the first job is still custodian.

- Shirking the custodial responsibilities will naturally curb the body’s rights of freedom.
- For example: natural laws of physics say, use it or lose it. Think so you can keep thinking. Walk so you can keep walking. Laugh.
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bahman wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:48 pm
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:59 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:36 pm
Anyone who is subjected to sin.
But EVERY human being is OBVIOUSLY 'subjected to sin'. And, who EXACTLY is doing the blaming?
People in name of God who does not exist.
The ABSURDITY and RIDICULOUSNESS of this response is Truly SURPRISING, especially considering just how far 'human beings' have been existing for.
bahman wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:48 pm
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am
bahman wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:36 pm
Yes, they have different experiences.
Do they?
Yes, and that is the only difference between them.
LOL What a joke. The ONLY difference.
bahman wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:48 pm
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am And what do you propose are those different experiences?
All sorts of things, getting punished by society for doing sin for example.
Are you 'trying to' suggest here that adult human beings do NOT get punished by society for doing, so called, "sin"'?
bahman wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:48 pm
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am There is ONLY One True 'Thing' from which to experience from, so HOW can there REALLY be different experiences to a 'child' from an 'adult', besides the fact that the younger one is the MORE of thee ACTUAL Truth they LOOK AT and SEE?
That might be the case. Mostly adults know more.
OF COURSE adults BELIEVE that they KNOW more. They have after all lived longer and thus have EXPERIENCED MORE.
bahman wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:48 pm
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am
bahman wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:36 pm
I hope that things are clear now.
But thee ACTUAL Truth of 'things' is VERY CLEAR.

YOUR wording, however, and unfortunately, is just NOT REVEALING THIS.

By the way, you have NOT YET worked out what the MASSIVELY HUGE DISTINCTION is between 'child' and 'adult' human being.
Adult is more knowledgeable and probably more resistance against stress or sin.
Just as I alluded to earlier you have NOT YET worked out what the ACTUAL MASSIVELY HUGE DISTINCTION ACTUALLY IS between 'child and 'adult'.
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bahman wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:56 pm Why should we be blamed for coming to this world and playing a role that God is the Grand Designer?
When I first read this I was wondering "What in the world is he talking about now?"

After reading through a couple posts where others asked for clarification and you gave some, you should have written something like this in the opening post instead:

"Why should we be blamed (or judged, perhaps) by God for coming into this world and playing a role for which God is (or was) the Grand Designer?"

That would have made what you're asking clear.

Of course, most people would probably answer, at least in the context of that particular narrative (which I don't personally believe--I'm an atheist), that you're being judged on the freely-willed decisions you make.
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Walker wrote: Sun Jan 24, 2021 6:21 am
bahman wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:56 pm Why should we be blamed for coming to this world and playing a role that God is the Grand Designer?
- They say that a person doesn’t make the job, the job makes the person.

- Everyone is born to a job.

- That job is custodian of the body that the person did not create.
- Everyone is a custodian.

- Some custodians get creative and experiment with redesigning the body a little, or as much as possible.

- Some custodians suffer accidental body damage, but no matter the vehicle’s form, the responsibility for the form lies with the custodian.

- Funny to think that no matter how big the VIP, the first job is still custodian.

- Shirking the custodial responsibilities will naturally curb the body’s rights of freedom.
- For example: natural laws of physics say, use it or lose it. Think so you can keep thinking. Walk so you can keep walking. Laugh.
Very true.
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Age wrote: Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:50 am
bahman wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:48 pm
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:59 pm But EVERY human being is OBVIOUSLY 'subjected to sin'. And, who EXACTLY is doing the blaming?
People in name of God who does not exist.
The ABSURDITY and RIDICULOUSNESS of this response is Truly SURPRISING, especially considering just how far 'human beings' have been existing for.
There is nothing absurd in my response.
Age wrote: Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:50 am
bahman wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:48 pm
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am Do they?
Yes, and that is the only difference between them.
LOL What a joke. The ONLY difference.
Again, you don't understand it.
Age wrote: Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:50 am
bahman wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:48 pm
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am And what do you propose are those different experiences?
All sorts of things, getting punished by society for doing sin for example.
Are you 'trying to' suggest here that adult human beings do NOT get punished by society for doing, so called, "sin"'?
Sure. You either resist the sin or break at your threshold and sin.
Age wrote: Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:50 am
bahman wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:48 pm
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am There is ONLY One True 'Thing' from which to experience from, so HOW can there REALLY be different experiences to a 'child' from an 'adult', besides the fact that the younger one is the MORE of thee ACTUAL Truth they LOOK AT and SEE?
That might be the case. Mostly adults know more.
OF COURSE adults BELIEVE that they KNOW more. They have after all lived longer and thus have EXPERIENCED MORE.
So you agree?
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am
bahman wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:48 pm
Age wrote: Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am But thee ACTUAL Truth of 'things' is VERY CLEAR.

YOUR wording, however, and unfortunately, is just NOT REVEALING THIS.

By the way, you have NOT YET worked out what the MASSIVELY HUGE DISTINCTION is between 'child' and 'adult' human being.
Adult is more knowledgeable and probably more resistance against stress or sin.
Just as I alluded to earlier you have NOT YET worked out what the ACTUAL MASSIVELY HUGE DISTINCTION ACTUALLY IS between 'child and 'adult'.
Subtract your life experience from yourself and see if you could do anything coherent like thinking. Therefore, the only diference between young and adult is the experiences.
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Terrapin Station wrote: Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:47 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:56 pm Why should we be blamed for coming to this world and playing a role that God is the Grand Designer?
When I first read this I was wondering "What in the world is he talking about now?"

After reading through a couple posts where others asked for clarification and you gave some, you should have written something like this in the opening post instead:

"Why should we be blamed (or judged, perhaps) by God for coming into this world and playing a role for which God is (or was) the Grand Designer?"

That would have made what you're asking clear.

Of course, most people would probably answer, at least in the context of that particular narrative (which I don't personally believe--I'm an atheist), that you're being judged on the freely-willed decisions you make.
Sorry, I am short.
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