If it so then why there is such a fantastic correlation between the experience, decision, and causation? The correlation is due to the existence of very you.
Why should we be blamed?
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They argue that God is good, the knowledge of the future is good, therefore God knows the future.Hermit Philosopher wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:05 pmbahman wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:27 pmCatholics for example think that God not only creates things but also sustains them (things cannot simply be existence since otherwise, they are God). Things however on the motion. Therefore God should know the future in order to sustain things.Hermit Philosopher wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 5:20 pm
An omniscient God, yes, many religions believe in this.
Bear in mind however, that those who also ascribe omnipresence to God may not consider time (i.e. the “future” that you mentioned above) to be something that exists, except for in the human mind. And, if it does not exist, would a real God need to know of it...?
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The funny thing is, that if you require that the problem presented in OP only be answered from one particular view of God (e.g. the one you’ve given here above) and your last question is “ how God could be highest [...?] if He does not know the future?” then, can there be other reasonings that your own...?
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There is a you, but this you has no knowledge of it's creator. Any idea of a creator is a mental construct happening here, but there is no knowledge of how here happens, just that it is.
It's not known how anything came into being. So to say God did it is wrong.
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To create a some thing one will need materials to make a model from. So the idea that things are created is a myth, because the materials that appear as a model must have already and always existed. And that which has always existed could not have been created. So the idea there are ''Many of the One'' are just appearances of the same materials that have always and already existed. So the models will be just illusory representations of what already exists. Or we could use another word for materials that have always existed, and call that energy instead.
There is no I that is free. I lives in the world of limitation (the thought sphere) So the word free can only have meaning in association with being bound, so no, I which is just another thought for you, is not free. If 'you' were free, you would be able to choose to be born or not.
Once born though, there is the illusion of being free, but it's an illusory sense of freedom, in truth nothing is ever free because nothing is bound. Nothing is being born and nothing is dying.
I does not make life happen. I is being lived. I is a thought. I does not make thoughts happen, thought makes I happen.
I'm speaking in nondual speak now so sorry if it's hard to follow.
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I know but I am not discussing the conception of God but you.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:33 amThere is a you, but this you has no knowledge of it's creator. Any idea of a creator is a mental construct happening here, but there is no knowledge of how here happens, just that it is.
It's not known how anything came into being. So to say God did it is wrong.
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But there was a beginning. I have an argument for it here.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:59 amTo create a some thing one will need materials to make a model from. So the idea that things are created is a myth, because the materials that appear as a model must have already and always existed. And that which has always existed could not have been created. So the idea there are ''Many of the One'' are just appearances of the same materials that have always and already existed. So the models will be just illusory representations of what already exists. Or we could use another word for materials that have always existed, and call that energy instead.
I am not speaking of freedom of will but free will. You are talking about freedom of will. By free will I mean that an agent has ability to unconditionally choose one option among at least two options.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:59 amThere is no I that is free. I lives in the world of limitation (the thought sphere) So the word free can only have meaning in association with being bound, so no, I which is just another thought for you, is not free. If 'you' were free, you would be able to choose to be born or not.
Once born though, there is the illusion of being free, but it's an illusory sense of freedom, in truth nothing is ever free because nothing is bound. Nothing is being born and nothing is dying.
I does not make life happen. I is being lived. I is a thought. I does not make thoughts happen, thought makes I happen.
I'm speaking in nondual speak now so sorry if it's hard to follow.
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Okay bahman.bahman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:47 pm
But there was a beginning. I have an argument for it here.
I am not speaking of freedom of will but free will. You are talking about freedom of will. By free will I mean that an agent has ability to unconditionally choose one option among at least two options.
I don't believe there is an agency who has free will, except as an illusory idea, so there is nothing more I can discuss with you on the matter. So I'll leave you to continue.