Does each person of Trinity can decide freely and independently?

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Does each person of Trinity can decide freely and independently?

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If it is then how they deal with the tension in decisions?
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bahman wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:21 pm If it is then how they deal with the tension in decisions?
according to the Son, no.
Joh_5:19  Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Joh_5:30  I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Joh_12:50  And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.


other text state things to the effect all three are one, and one not without the others.

to explain, there is God there is His Word (that which He speaks) that was made flesh known as Jesus Christ(according to NT) and there is God's Presence also known as the Holy Spirit. according to the Son, God is a Spirit.

no different then there is you, your speech, and your presence in the flesh, you are flesh, and one is not without the other, and is you to anything that isn't you.

so, there is God. His Word and His Presence, and are God to anything not God and One is not without the others.
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DPMartin wrote: Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:24 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:21 pm If it is then how they deal with the tension in decisions?
according to the Son, no.
Joh_5:19  Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Joh_5:30  I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Joh_12:50  And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.


other text state things to the effect all three are one, and one not without the others.

to explain, there is God there is His Word (that which He speaks) that was made flesh known as Jesus Christ(according to NT) and there is God's Presence also known as the Holy Spirit. according to the Son, God is a Spirit.

no different then there is you, your speech, and your presence in the flesh, you are flesh, and one is not without the other, and is you to anything that isn't you.

so, there is God. His Word and His Presence, and are God to anything not God and One is not without the others.
So Jesus is a soulless entity that cannot even decide?
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bahman wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:21 pm If it is then how they deal with the tension in decisions?
No. The triplets in the Trinity are not equal. So says scriptures.

They show the Father volunteering or choosing Jesus to die. Further, Yahweh knows when the end of days will arrive and Jesus did not.

Jesus could not independently decide to change the date.

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Greatest I am wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:05 am
bahman wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:21 pm If it is then how they deal with the tension in decisions?
No. The triplets in the Trinity are not equal. So says scriptures.

They show the Father volunteering or choosing Jesus to die. Further, Yahweh knows when the end of days will arrive and Jesus did not.

Jesus could not independently decide to change the date.

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Could Jesus decide not to die? He is a human with a soul and He is free.
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bahman wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:28 am
Greatest I am wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:05 am
bahman wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:21 pm If it is then how they deal with the tension in decisions?
No. The triplets in the Trinity are not equal. So says scriptures.

They show the Father volunteering or choosing Jesus to die. Further, Yahweh knows when the end of days will arrive and Jesus did not.

Jesus could not independently decide to change the date.

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Could Jesus decide not to die? He is a human with a soul and He is free.
Jesus said he was doing the fathers will and not his own, so I would say no, to your first.

I disagree with your last.

Gnostic Christianity thinks Jesus is just and archetypal good man hero of 1,000 faces.

We hold no supernatural belief and see the bible as pure myth. We are thinkers. Not sheeple.

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Greatest I am wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:06 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:28 am
Greatest I am wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:05 am

No. The triplets in the Trinity are not equal. So says scriptures.

They show the Father volunteering or choosing Jesus to die. Further, Yahweh knows when the end of days will arrive and Jesus did not.

Jesus could not independently decide to change the date.

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DL
Could Jesus decide not to die? He is a human with a soul and He is free.
Jesus said he was doing the fathers will and not his own, so I would say no, to your first.

I disagree with your last.

Gnostic Christianity thinks Jesus is just and archetypal good man hero of 1,000 faces.

We hold no supernatural belief and see the bible as pure myth. We are thinkers. Not sheeple.

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DL
He was a conscious being? Otherwise, He couldn't suffer for our sins.
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Greatest I am wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:06 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:28 am
Greatest I am wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:05 am

No. The triplets in the Trinity are not equal. So says scriptures.

They show the Father volunteering or choosing Jesus to die. Further, Yahweh knows when the end of days will arrive and Jesus did not.

Jesus could not independently decide to change the date.

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DL
Could Jesus decide not to die? He is a human with a soul and He is free.
Jesus said he was doing the fathers will and not his own, so I would say no, to your first.

I disagree with your last.

Gnostic Christianity thinks Jesus is just and archetypal good man hero of 1,000 faces.

We hold no supernatural belief and see the bible as pure myth. We are thinkers. Not sheeple.

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DL
He was a conscious being? Otherwise, He couldn't suffer for our sins.
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The human "trinity" is body, mind and soul. Was Jesus not human?

If he was, he could not neglect the needs of any of his three parts but address the needs of each without ignoring the other two.

The Father, Son and Holy Ghost seems to separate the three parts. In people that is not logical.
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bahman wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:38 pm
Greatest I am wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:06 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:28 am
Could Jesus decide not to die? He is a human with a soul and He is free.
Jesus said he was doing the fathers will and not his own, so I would say no, to your first.

I disagree with your last.

Gnostic Christianity thinks Jesus is just and archetypal good man hero of 1,000 faces.

We hold no supernatural belief and see the bible as pure myth. We are thinkers. Not sheeple.

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DL
He was a conscious being? Otherwise, He couldn't suffer for our sins.
Let's discuss the immorality of your belief.

That request is usually enough to send Christians running because they cannot justify their views.

Let's see if you have the balls to even try.

On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.

Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.

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jayjacobus wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:32 am The human "trinity" is body, mind and soul. Was Jesus not human?

If he was, he could not neglect the needs of any of his three parts but address the needs of each without ignoring the other two.

The Father, Son and Holy Ghost seems to separate the three parts. In people that is not logical.
I agree.

I know I have a body and mind.

What is a soul to you, if not just our life force? If life force, why call it a soul?

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jayjacobus wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:32 am The human "trinity" is body, mind and soul. Was Jesus not human?

If he was, he could not neglect the needs of any of his three parts but address the needs of each without ignoring the other two.

The Father, Son and Holy Ghost seems to separate the three parts. In people that is not logical.
Yes.
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Greatest I am wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:48 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:38 pm
Greatest I am wrote: Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:06 pm

Jesus said he was doing the fathers will and not his own, so I would say no, to your first.

I disagree with your last.

Gnostic Christianity thinks Jesus is just and archetypal good man hero of 1,000 faces.

We hold no supernatural belief and see the bible as pure myth. We are thinkers. Not sheeple.

Regards
DL
He was a conscious being? Otherwise, He couldn't suffer for our sins.
Let's discuss the immorality of your belief.

That request is usually enough to send Christians running because they cannot justify their views.

Let's see if you have the balls to even try.

On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.

It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.

Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.

It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.

Christians also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are promoting doing just that.

Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh. Tsk tsk.

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DL
Yes. I agree.
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bahman

Thanks. Most moral people do.

Christians read it and ignore and never reply.

They are not good at moral issues. Not surprising given their vile theology and god.

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Greatest I am wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:52 pm
jayjacobus wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:32 am The human "trinity" is body, mind and soul. Was Jesus not human?

If he was, he could not neglect the needs of any of his three parts but address the needs of each without ignoring the other two.

The Father, Son and Holy Ghost seems to separate the three parts. In people that is not logical.
I agree.

I know I have a body and mind.

What is a soul to you, if not just our life force? If life force, why call it a soul?

Regards
DL
The subconscious is concerned with the part of the mind of which one is not fully aware but which influences one's actions and feelings.

Perhaps, that is the soul.
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