Putting ''Immanuel Can'' In The Religious Spotlight Part 2

[Dontaskme]

I asked God, but I got no reply.

How do you know?

How long did Sullivan work to get Keller simply to acknowledge her, much less to understand her?

Listen,I couldn't give a rats arse about Keller or Sullivan who ever they are. If you really understood God, then why do you still eat pig, why do you own a gun, there doesn't seem to be much faith in your brotherly human beings, nor any respect for animal life. ( oh that's right, we're all just poor pathetic fallen creatures aren't we, and our only salvation is to go crawling back to our beloved who loves and guides us, but never answers our questions. We are left to figure the difficult bits out for ourselves, meanwhile we fight with each other to the death, because there seems to be no other way for humans and animals to live is there )

The only reason humans learnt the way of 'goodness' was because being 'good to each other' served as a very useful tool that would ensure our survival. But 'goodness' is only a decoy to distract what's really on our mind. What we really are is a killing and slaughter machine of everything that gets in our path. Life is nothing more than a ruthless tactic of the will to survival at all cost, where no price is too high for this canabilistic life addict.

If God created a world where people owned guns and killed pigs then it's a retarded idea. Would you sentence a child to die horribly on a battle field, or raise a piglet to maturity just to watch it writhe in agony as it is being gassed to death just for your fleeting pleasure of a bacon sandwich. Would you sentence your child to the risk of over a billion other nasty disgusting maladies that await every living sentient creature.

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[Dontaskme]

I have no idea what to say to that.

Does Immanuel Can know God ?

Yes, of course.

John 14:6-11

Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”

Philip *said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.”

Jesus *said to him, “Have I been with you for so long a time, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? The one who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own, but the Father, as He remains in Me, does His works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves..."

You the named one is KNOWN
The named one does not know. ( the named one who claims to know is a liar )
The named one is known.
The knower of the known (named one) is a silent regress problem.
The knower cannot be known by the known, for that implies two not one.

If God created the Universe, who created God? That is a dilemma that religious folks desperately try to avoid. The question, "Who created God?" has been pondered by theologians for millennia, and the answer is both surprisingly obvious and philosophically subtle ... ... whatever one thinks about the beginnings of the Universe, there is "something" at the very origin that was not created. This is an inescapable given, a cosmic truth.

This cosmic truth points to the irrefutable FACT that there is no room for a known knower. So you cannot know God, rather you are known by God who is unknowable. Man finds this truth hard to accept.

Absolutely nothing is excluded from the 'all that is'. So everything will always be 'what it is'. 'what is' will never be what it isn't. It could not have been any other way.

The Bible is full of error and dangerously false misleading and misguided teachings.

The concepts Good and Evil are man made ideas, they do not exist in reality, they are mental constructs invented to control the herd that is humanity into conformity that serves one purpose, and one purpose only, SURVIVAL at any price.

[Walker]

I asked God, but I got no reply.

How do you know?

How long did Sullivan work to get Keller simply to acknowledge her, much less to understand her?

Keller was strong willed. Before she could associate physical sensations with concepts, she was like a stubborn mule. She wanted to do things her way, after all, it had worked well enough so far.

Sullivan was the right person at the right time for Keller. There was strong skepticism about Keller among her contemporaries. Some thought her to be a Charlie McCarthy.

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God does not answer.

God reveals.

Answers are found in the revelation, found by the finder's capacity for knowing.

In the revelation, Luke heard his answer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpHpU-VEbdY

[Dontaskme]

Dogs have masters, cats have servants.

In reality, there is no SELF who is a master or servant.

The apparent self is formed purely from human language. The idea of self is a self-perpetuating phenomenal false precept imposed artificially upon what is essentially unknowable. And is a doctrination that is falsely believed from cradle to grave.

A precept is a constant repetition of the command, without ornament, imagery, or illustration; without an appeal to our understanding, or respect for our reason; it is simply one mandate after another, just as lessons are inculcated upon children.

The human being created itself. It is a pretentious phantom upon reality.

The falsely created human self, can then see through it's own error of thinking and be free of the folly of needing a creator.
Only this one is truly free.

[henry quirk]

Listen,I couldn't give a rats arse about Keller or Sullivan who ever they are.

Helen Keller and Anne Sullivan.


If you really understood God, then why do you still eat pig, why do you own a gun, there doesn't seem to be much faith in your brotherly human beings, nor any respect for animal life.

Can't imagine what any of the above has to do with talkin' to God, expectin' an answer, and gettin' sour cuz mebbe God isn't answerin' as you like.

I'm a deist, by the way...I don't think God entertains conversation...but, I can play devil's advocate and point out that if God does entertain conversation it may be that we're Helen Keller (deaf, dumb, and blind) and He's Anne Sullivan (workin' real hard to get thru to us).

[Dontaskme]

I'm a deist, by the way...I don't think God entertains conversation...but, I can play devil's advocate and point out that if God does entertain conversation it may be that we're Helen Keller (deaf, dumb, and blind) and He's Anne Sullivan (workin' real hard to get thru to us).

No one cares about your BS stories..

[Dontaskme]

God does not answer.

God reveals.

Answers are found in the revelation, found by the finder's capacity for knowing.

Oh so god does answer, but only to the one who believes it is lost

Oh my god I am so lost here, please God, please help me find myself

[henry quirk]

I'm a deist, by the way...I don't think God entertains conversation...but, I can play devil's advocate and point out that if God does entertain conversation it may be that we're Helen Keller (deaf, dumb, and blind) and He's Anne Sullivan (workin' real hard to get thru to us).

No one cares about your BS stories..

Wow...what the hell did I do to get dismissed like that?

[Dontaskme]

I'm a deist, by the way...I don't think God entertains conversation...but, I can play devil's advocate and point out that if God does entertain conversation it may be that we're Helen Keller (deaf, dumb, and blind) and He's Anne Sullivan (workin' real hard to get thru to us).

No one cares about your BS stories..

Wow...what the hell did I do to get dismissed like that?

Because you are distinguished from theism which is IC's belief. So you're here to create waves. I'm only interested in what really matters, and that is telling the truth.

[henry quirk]

No one cares about your BS stories..

Wow...what the hell did I do to get dismissed like that?

Because you are distinguished from theism which is IC's belief. So you're here to create waves. I'm only interested in what really matters, and that is telling the truth.

Nope. I just made a point. If it disturbed you then mebbe I got too close to the root of your woes.

But, as you aren't interested, I leave you to your danglin' at the end of rope.

[Dontaskme]

Wow...what the hell did I do to get dismissed like that?

Because you are distinguished from theism which is IC's belief. So you're here to create waves. I'm only interested in what really matters, and that is telling the truth.

Nope. I just made a point. If it disturbed you then mebbe I got too close to the root of your woes.

But, as you aren't interested, I leave you to your danglin' at the end of rope.

No you didn't disturb me, please do not flatter yourself. Just tell the truth.

I'm fine here, I am in discussion with IC regarding what is truth, and what isn't.

You guys are always refering to a self, so it is only fair to say to you that I do not believe there is one.

[Immanuel Can]

As for the Bible mentioning intelligent life existing on other planets...

You are correct that the Bible does not mention that specific matter. It does speak to other matters you mentioned, such as why we are created "in the image of God," or why God is particularly concerned with us, but it does not contain explications about ET and UFOs, and such. However, I can't imagine how we are justified in faulting it for that: the question is surely absurd. For we know that, given the dimensions of this universe, it is highly unlikely that if there were other life forms around (which the Bible does not say there are not), it is astronomically unlikely that we would ever find them and encounter them, or they us.

The nearest possible habitable planet is at least 4.2 light-years away, and hopes that it is habitable are now reduced to very low. (https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/world/pr ... index.html) That means that even if CNN is somehow wrong, any alien civilization there would have to be far, far more advanced than ours, and discover how to travel 630,000,000 kilometres to reach us. That's the very most optimistic scenario.

The point is simple: if other life forms exist on other planets, it's overwhelmingly a question of no relation to us. There would be absolutely no need for God to tell us any such answer, since the information would be astronomically likely to be entirely useless to us anyway.

So does God owe us that sort of entirely useless information? It's hard to see why. If he doesn't owe you your numbers at the casino in advance, which might indeed have some relevance to you, it would be hard to see why he'd owe you something far less likely to be anything to you at all.

In fact, what would God "owe" any of us?

[Immanuel Can]

If God created the Universe, who created God? That is a dilemma that religious folks desperately try to avoid.

Au contraire, it's been answered, and answered, and answered...but Atheists won't accept any answer.

It's actually very simple: God was not "created." No Christian ever believes in a "created god."

The ancient Greeks and the Norse did. But they believed in many "created gods." The idea itself is incoherent, however, if "God" refers to the term "Supreme Being," as it does in Christianity. For a "created" being is by definition NOT "the Supreme Being," but a contingent, temporal being of some lesser standing. And whatever "created" such a "god" then becomes the next candidate for the "supreme entity" in the universe.

But if we ask, "Well, what created THAT," we end up in an infinite regress. The answer cannot be forever, "one more thing behind that," because if it were, the universe itself could never have started, since it would make every prior "creator" a prerequisite for them all.

So mathematically, we know, because of the infinite regress of causes problem, that there must have been something that was not created, something that never began, something eternal, something always there and self-existent. That's mathematically absolute. It cannot be escaped.

The only real question is "Is this thing something with an intelligence, or something utterly impersonal. But there are no candidates for an impersonal thing that can "create" universes.

It's such an easy question! And it so clearly favours the Creation Hypothesis, for that matter. I can't understand the note of triumphalism in your wording at all. Nothing justifies it, for sure.

[Walker]

Oh so god does answer, but only to the one who believes it is lost

Oh my god I am so lost here, please God, please help me find myself

Answers, yes, and no belief is required.

Don't be like a dog or a pig when petitioning God, because you won't be able to recognize the causation initiated by asking, and you won't recognize the answer in what is given you.

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Matthew 7:7

It reads:
“Ask and it shall be given you …”

It does not read:
Ask and it shall be answered…

However, you must ask properly, which means with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. One must do that, rather than give what is holy to dogs, or give pearls to swine.

Ask like a dog or a pig and what is "given you," could be given really good via karma, if your asking is particularly dog-like or pig-like.

Ask properly and you will find an answer, the answer, in what is given.

[Walker]

To ask with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind requires a singularity of undistracted attention.

Back in the olden days of Christ and Matthew, and King James, back in the pre-Industrial Revolution, back in the pre-Information Age, folks lived with fewer distractions. Not like today. These days, professionals at snagging attention do so by distracting one from the attention required for properly petitioning God.

Back in the olden days folks lived by sweat, closer to nature. Ask any kid growing up on the prairie, or in the desert, just how boring nature can be. Quite boring, thus devoid of distractions, thus conducive to the singularity of undistracted attention required for petitioning God.

The same attention is required for effective Self-Enquiry, btw, which is why purification of body, voice, and mind are necessary to prepare attention to incorporate distractions into the energy, energy which is required to activate and perpetuate self-generating Self-Enquiry.

Don’t under estimate self-generating Self-Enquiry, because when that kicks in your notion of self has no control over stopping the natural process, which can cause quite a battle with ego.

Question: Does offering truth to God with all heart, soul, and mind, negate the self-created illusion of snootiness?