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Re: What causes muslims to be violent

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Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:51 pm
Sculptor wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:06 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:08 pm If he was right, then how come, in every case, Marxist regimes have proved not merely the most economically-suicidal of all regimes,
They have not.
Then name one that didn't. And don't forget all the curtailing of freedom, and, of course, the homicides.
You might want to read Hitler's mobilisation of Gott for his Reich.
Well, you know how that works: every propagandist invents multiple rationales for his cause: "scientific," "historical," "religious," "practical," and so on. He wants to have a reason to persuade every audience. You're not foolish enough to take Hitler at his word, are you? You don't trust him in regard to his "historical" or "scientific" perspective: why would you believe him naively on "religion?"

If somebody used your name to justify, say, eating children, would you think Sculptor was the cause of eating children? :shock:
Oh the irony.
You really need to step back and take a good look at yourself.
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Re: The Innocence of Communism

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Immanuel Can wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:14 am Bernie.jpg
Tut tut tut,
Antisemitism???
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:05 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:52 am Then go and live in a totalitarian theocracy.
Democracy. I live in a Democracy. I've no need of totalitarianism. That's a Communist taste. Have you not noticed how every Communist state degenerates into it?
Exactly my point. Real communism wouldn't even have a leader. God you are thick.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:17 am Real communism wouldn't even have a leader.
You need to explain to yourself, then, why every single case of real-world Communism ends up with dictatorship. At least, if you're sincere about wanting Communism..."true" Communism, as you imagine it...wouldn't you want to know how to avoid the pitfalls that every other regime created in that pattern has fallen into before?

So why is that: why does every single real-world Communist regime end up with totalitarianism, economic collapse and human rights disaster? Where did real-world communism go wrong, and fail to become "true" Communism? And what would you do to prevent that happening to your Communism?
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"There has never been true communism."

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surreptitious57 wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:30 am One : we are not actually hardwired to be universally altruistic

Two : communism doesnt work because people like to own stuff as Frank Zappa said

The first applies to true communism and the second applies to economic communism

You all know the difference so I dont need to tell you what it is
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:12 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:17 am Real communism wouldn't even have a leader.
You need to explain to yourself, then, why every single case of real-world Communism ends up with dictatorship. At least, if you're sincere about wanting Communism..."true" Communism, as you imagine it...wouldn't you want to know how to avoid the pitfalls that every other regime created in that pattern has fallen into before?

So why is that: why does every single real-world Communist regime end up with totalitarianism, economic collapse and human rights disaster? Where did real-world communism go wrong, and fail to become "true" Communism? And what would you do to prevent that happening to your Communism?
What do you mean 'my' communism? And why are you asking me? Why do humans have dictators at all? We get the leaders we deserve. Hmmm. Perhaps it's because they are brainwashed from birth to worship a big sky daddy instead of thinking critically for themselves.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:33 pm What do you mean 'my' communism? And why are you asking me?
That's easy. :lol:

You said "true Communism" has never existed. You couldn't possibly say that unless you knew what "true Communism" is. So you must have some version in mind.

How would you keep your "true" Communism from the same failures as all the others?

Simple question.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:15 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:33 pm What do you mean 'my' communism? And why are you asking me?
That's easy. :lol:

You said "true Communism" has never existed. You couldn't possibly say that unless you knew what "true Communism" is. So you must have some version in mind.

How would you keep your "true" Communism from the same failures as all the others?

Simple question.
Socialism and democracy need constant care to prevent their deterioration. Public apathy like in US and UK has brought bad conservative regimes to power. How can the people be enlightened?
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Belinda wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:53 pm Socialism and democracy need constant care to prevent their deterioration. Public apathy like in US and UK has brought bad conservative regimes to power. How can the people be enlightened?
Socialism kills people. It has done it every single time in history that it has become the dominant political-economic model. It has killed more human beings than literally any other cause, and by orders of magnitude. But you think the US and UK have "bad regimes" right now?

So you want to overlook the Stalins and Maos, the Castros, Kim Jongs and Pol Pots, The Ceaucescus and the Titos, the Mugabes and the Hoxtas...and you want to buy into their model again. But the mildly conservative groups in the US and UK right now, you think deserve the adjective "bad" even beside those regimes? :shock:

Oy flippin' vey.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:15 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:33 pm What do you mean 'my' communism? And why are you asking me?
That's easy. :lol:

You said "true Communism" has never existed. You couldn't possibly say that unless you knew what "true Communism" is. So you must have some version in mind.

How would you keep your "true" Communism from the same failures as all the others?

Simple question.
You are an idiot. Go and read the the Communist manifesto since you obviously don't know what Communism is. It fails because of human nature, but, as I KEEP pointing out to your tiny, pointy brain, is that SOME of its ideas have been adopted by modern democracies. People have moved on....
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:30 pm Go and read the the Communist manifesto...
Done. It's boring, immoral and stupid, but it's doable.

But how do you make this toxic thing called "Communism" -- which you admit has been toxic in every single use it's had so far -- into something safe?

And where is this "true Communism" of yours? How did you come to know it exists...since you admit it has never existed?
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Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:05 am
gaffo wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:57 am got a laugh out of the image of a lamb offering a man for his/her sins.
I never said anything like that.


If a lamb brought a man to God, then sacrifices would have ceased, after the first one.


to my mind you did, and thus my laugh over the imagery.




Amimals nature - no souls? - is a weak point of your Human centric Religion all western ones are weak in the nature of animals, theologically they are ignored sadly.
I don't think they are at all. I can't imagine where you got that idea.
then provide a works in the canon that addresses this. Jubaless does, but its not in the canon.

the eastern religions - via re-incarnation, do of course, but Christianity is not an Eastern Religion - there there are vague links via prior humans being reborn - Elisha being reborn as Jesus - leaving the empty chair /etc... via Judaism (but it is human centric, and not related to animals)


Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:05 am
Human beings might be good 50% of the time, or only 30%, or 90%. The problem is that other remaining percentage...because both you and I know that it can be very, very bad. The last century pretty much proved that.

So at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if my view is more glum than yours, or yours more sunny than mine. What matters is that we both recognize that there is, in human beings, a problem called "evil." And it's not the kind of problem that can be ignored.

On that, we can agree completely.
yes we agree, but i take the speck/beam in mind myself when talking about the evil of folks - who in general view as 80 percent good - some more some less - 80-percent is my general population estimate.

Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:05 am There is no division between Messiah and Jesus; they are the same Person, and there is no other.
I believe, from reading the bible, that the synoptics (and Gospel of John too) affirmed the above. but Saul did not, he thought Jesus the man died on the cross, and his messiah was anther, Christ, via the ressurection.

that is my view on the matter, i welcome discussion on this of course.


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likewise thanks for reply Sir.
Good to talk to you.
as well Sir.
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All over the Islamic world there are also a bunch of racists asking the same sort of question about Christians.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:23 am
Then why is it that when people lose their early brainwashing and realise that there is no such thing as fairies, they always seem much happier, more rounded, and far more interested and interesting than they were before?
because brainwashing is bad - my parents were Atheists (but the silent type) - so i was not brainwashed to become one, and instead allowed to think for myself and via my grandmother who was a nominal christian, as a kid was also, then i started reading her bible and saw contradictions.

so, brainwashing = bad.

in all cases/faiths nonfaiths.

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after one grows out of being a child mentally, and forms an adult understanding of him/herself as a person, then comes to a faith or no faith for them, i'm fine with it.

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Immanuel Can wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:37 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:30 pm Go and read the the Communist manifesto...
Done. It's boring, immoral and stupid, but it's doable.

But how do you make this toxic thing called "Communism" -- which you admit has been toxic in every single use it's had so far -- into something safe?

And where is this "true Communism" of yours? How did you come to know it exists...since you admit it has never existed?
Not my job to make it into anything. I'm only reporting facts. And if you've read it (yeah right) could you say in which paragraph it says that it must be overseen by a mass-murdering dictator?
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