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Re: What causes muslims to be violent

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Sculptor wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:27 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:32 am
seeds wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:22 pm
I just saw a CNN video today that presents a gruesome example of exactly what I was talking about in the above quote.

Check it out and then never wonder why the American empire is about to be destroyed (one way or another) by the necrotizing returns from the negative karma it is sowing across the world.

Here's the link: https://youtu.be/7dRi-8Ph7oU
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You are insulting your own intelligence, objectivity and rationality by being bias and not seeing the full picture ideologically, historically and that of human nature.
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You are insulting your own intelligence, objectivity and rationality with your confirmation bias.
Pot calling kettle black.
You seem to be in complete denial here.
The US is very good at killing children, having killed 70000 civilians during the Afghan conflict - how many of them do you think were children? More children were killed by American drones than adults died in 9/11
America is the violent one here.
Violence delivered with cold efficiency for 70 years against Islam - how do you think Muslims are likely to respond?
Use your fucking imagination.
IN the face of American horror, 9/11 was a small gesture.
You are making noises as usual and ignoring the points of substance, I repeat;
Veritas wrote:What drives SOME small % but significant number of evil prone Muslims [note 10% = 150 million] to commit terrible evil and violent acts is based on immutable commands from a God as contractually imposed upon a Muslim by divine law.
There are specific divine commands from their God that they ought to kill and be violent to non-Muslims upon very vague conditions or threats where even being a non-believer itself is deemed to be a threat.
(btw, 1 of the 3 subjects I claimed to be a reasonable expert is Islam).

Since the divine commands are immutable, no change is possible as long as one is a Muslim and as long as there are Muslims [1.5 billion & increasing at a fast rate], there will be terrible evil and violent acts committed contractually as obligated to a God in exchange for eternal life and "virgins".

So the critical factor [80%] why Muslims [SOME] are so violent is due to the Islamic Ideology written in "stone tablet" and other [seemingly obvious] factors invoked are actually secondary.
In the >1500 years since Islam and Muslims emerged, > 100 million of non-Muslims had been killed in the name of Islam under the command of their God, Allah. So how many children would be in that total?

Note this re Invasion of India by Muslims in the name of Islam;
Lal estimates that about 60 to 80 million people died in India between 1000 and 1525 as a result of the Islamic invasion of Indian subcontinent. He concluded that about 2 million people died during Mahmud of Ghazni's invasions of India alone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of ... eval_India
I remind you, the command for Muslims to kill non-Muslims is an immutable command by their God, thus cannot be changed till eternity.

If the US had killed 70,000 that is relatively a drop in the Sea relative to the non-Muslims killed by Muslims in the name of Islam and Allah since Islam emerged in the 7th century.

Btw, the US occupation of Afghanistan was in direct response to Muslims killing American during 911 based on the immutable commands from the God of Islam.

In general, the US and Western Nations or even Eastern ones in modern times [even in the past] did not nor will go to war for religious reasons but only driven by political interests.

But note the US had learned their lessons from their past history and is now taking corrective steps for the better toward the future re killings of non-Americans.

As such how can you be so ignorant to condemn the acts of US [correcting their past errors] as worst than the immutable divine laws that command any Muslim* to kill YOU [& any non-Muslim] merely because you are a disbeliever, thus a threat to the religion of Islam.

*Whilst not all Muslims will obey Allah's command to kill non-Muslim, the command is inherently embedded and contractual upon any Muslim, which many [even if 10% is 150 million] will readily obey and had done so, thus the reason re OP 'What causes Muslims to be violent"

Can you counter this point?
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Re: What causes muslims to be violent

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:37 am
Sculptor wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:27 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:32 am
You are insulting your own intelligence, objectivity and rationality by being bias and not seeing the full picture ideologically, historically and that of human nature.
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You are insulting your own intelligence, objectivity and rationality with your confirmation bias.
Pot calling kettle black.
You seem to be in complete denial here.
The US is very good at killing children, having killed 70000 civilians during the Afghan conflict - how many of them do you think were children? More children were killed by American drones than adults died in 9/11
America is the violent one here.
Violence delivered with cold efficiency for 70 years against Islam - how do you think Muslims are likely to respond?
Use your fucking imagination.
IN the face of American horror, 9/11 was a small gesture.
You are making noises as usual and ignoring the points of substance, I repeat;
Veritas wrote:What drives SOME small % but significant number of evil prone Muslims [note 10% = 150 million] to commit terrible evil and violent acts is based on immutable commands from a God as contractually imposed upon a Muslim by divine law.
There are specific divine commands from their God that they ought to kill and be violent to non-Muslims upon very vague conditions or threats where even being a non-believer itself is deemed to be a threat.
(btw, 1 of the 3 subjects I claimed to be a reasonable expert is Islam).

Since the divine commands are immutable, no change is possible as long as one is a Muslim and as long as there are Muslims [1.5 billion & increasing at a fast rate], there will be terrible evil and violent acts committed contractually as obligated to a God in exchange for eternal life and "virgins".

So the critical factor [80%] why Muslims [SOME] are so violent is due to the Islamic Ideology written in "stone tablet" and other [seemingly obvious] factors invoked are actually secondary.
In the >1500 years since Islam and Muslims emerged, > 100 million of non-Muslims had been killed in the name of Islam under the command of their God, Allah. So how many children would be in that total?

Note this re Invasion of India by Muslims in the name of Islam;
Lal estimates that about 60 to 80 million people died in India between 1000 and 1525 as a result of the Islamic invasion of Indian subcontinent. He concluded that about 2 million people died during Mahmud of Ghazni's invasions of India alone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of ... eval_India
I remind you, the command for Muslims to kill non-Muslims is an immutable command by their God, thus cannot be changed till eternity.

If the US had killed 70,000 that is relatively a drop in the Sea relative to the non-Muslims killed by Muslims in the name of Islam and Allah since Islam emerged in the 7th century.

Btw, the US occupation of Afghanistan was in direct response to Muslims killing American during 911 based on the immutable commands from the God of Islam.

In general, the US and Western Nations or even Eastern ones in modern times [even in the past] did not nor will go to war for religious reasons but only driven by political interests.

But note the US had learned their lessons from their past history and is now taking corrective steps for the better toward the future re killings of non-Americans.

As such how can you be so ignorant to condemn the acts of US [correcting their past errors] as worst than the immutable divine laws that command any Muslim* to kill YOU [& any non-Muslim] merely because you are a disbeliever, thus a threat to the religion of Islam.

*Whilst not all Muslims will obey Allah's command to kill non-Muslim, the command is inherently embedded and contractual upon any Muslim, which many [even if 10% is 150 million] will readily obey and had done so, thus the reason re OP 'What causes Muslims to be violent"

Can you counter this point?
How many people have been slaughtered since the 7th century for 'political reasons'? You really should learn how to think more critically and objectively. Just saying.

''> 100 million of non-Muslims had been killed in the name of Islam under the command of their God, Allah.''
Where does this figure come from? Is there also a figure for the number of people killed in the name of kristianity?
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Re: What causes muslims to be violent

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:32 am
seeds wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:22 pm
seeds wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:16 pm The main purpose of my post was to point out the hypocrisy of Westerners who are the main instigators and pot-stirrers of trouble in the Middle East, being appalled by such things as the stark and barbaric brutality of Muslims retaliating by beheading their perceived enemies...

...while, at the same time, completely ignoring the even greater brutality of children’s bodies being torn into pieces by a “smart” bomb that has been delivered from the comfort and safety of the videogame-like control seat of a Western drone operator.

I mean, we have all been subjected to the ghastly horror of pictures and videos of beheadings. However, just imagine if we could have a clear and slow-motion video of a toddler’s entire body being ripped apart by our preferred methods of death and mayhem.

Would the perpetrators of that heinous act (us Westerners) be less evil than the beheaders?

Obviously, both situations are examples of human madness. However, me and Jesus are having a difficult time trying to figure out which one is worse.
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I just saw a CNN video today that presents a gruesome example of exactly what I was talking about in the above quote.

Check it out and then never wonder why the American empire is about to be destroyed (one way or another) by the necrotizing returns from the negative karma it is sowing across the world.

Here's the link: https://youtu.be/7dRi-8Ph7oU
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You are insulting your own intelligence, objectivity and rationality by being bias and not seeing the full picture ideologically, historically and that of human nature.

Note the Normal Distribution re large groups >3000 years ago and the > 8 billion people at present.

Re evolution, human nature up to the present, whoever is the dominant and more powerful will naturally suppress the weaker ones. This is so evident in the animal world and thus humans.
So the 'karma' that is backlashing "Western" powers at present has been happening all over the world in the Eastern and Middle-Eastern civilization in the pasts.
This will keep going until the majority of humans naturally evolved to be compassionate to each other.

But the difference with Muslims being violent is totally different from the above natural evolutionary forces, where changes is possible.

What drives SOME small % but significant number of evil prone Muslims [note 10% = 150 million] to commit terrible evil and violent acts is based on immutable commands from a God as contractually imposed upon a Muslim by divine law.
There are specific divine commands from their God that they ought to kill and be violent to non-Muslims upon very vague conditions or threats where even being a non-believer itself is deemed to be a threat.
(btw, 1 of the 3 subjects I claimed to be a reasonable expert is Islam).

Since the divine commands are immutable, no change is possible as long as one is a Muslim and as long as there are Muslims [1.5 billion & increasing at a fast rate], there will be terrible evil and violent acts committed contractually as obligated to a God in exchange for eternal life and "virgins".

So the critical factor [80%] why Muslims [SOME] are so violent is due to the Islamic Ideology written in "stone tablet" and other [seemingly obvious] factors invoked are actually secondary.

You are insulting your own intelligence, objectivity and rationality with your confirmation bias.
Absolutely nothing you said in your rambling diatribe had anything whatsoever to do with the point I was making in the quote you responded to.
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Re: What causes muslims to be violent

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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:09 pm How many people have been slaughtered since the 7th century for 'political reasons'? You really should learn how to think more critically and objectively. Just saying.

''> 100 million of non-Muslims had been killed in the name of Islam under the command of their God, Allah.''
Where does this figure come from? Is there also a figure for the number of people killed in the name of kristianity?
I posted this in another thread;
The God of Christianity via Jesus made the offer in the Gospel in John 3:16 and alike. This is indisputable.

Thus babies, toddlers are obviously not Christians by definition re Gospels but children from 3, 4, 5 onwards can be guided by the Christian parents and guardians to enter [not sign literally] into a contract with God and qualify to be a Christian.

Note I prefer the term 'contract' rather than the more appropriate divine "covenant".
The term "contract" implied the obligation that Christians are contractually bound to obey whatever in the Gospels [the terms of the contract].

Fortunately, the critical contractual term all Christians are bound to is that they MUST love all and even their enemies. Therefore Christianity is inherent a pacifist religion, regardless of whether Christians behave well-manneredly or badly.

Similar in Islam, a "Muslim" implied a believer who had entered into a contract [divine covenant] (Arabic ʿahd and mīthāq) with Allah with the Quran containing all the terms of the contract.
Unfortunately, the Quran, i.e. the terms of the contract for a Muslim, contains commands that they kill non-Muslim upon any threat* [fasadin] to Islam.
*Disbelieving Islam itself is a threat among others, e.g. drawing of cartoons, etc.
As such, Islam is an inherently evil laden religion.

Fortunately not all Muslims comply fully with the term of their divine contract.
But even if 10% do comply fully, that is >150 million of them :shock: looking for an opportunity to kill non-Muslims upon any threat to the religion to reap greater rewards for such compliances.
As such, those who killed and claimed to be "Christians" cannot be killing on behalf of Christianity at all because 'killing' [rather is love all even enemies] is not a contractual term they are obligated to comply with.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:38 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:09 pm How many people have been slaughtered since the 7th century for 'political reasons'? You really should learn how to think more critically and objectively. Just saying.

''> 100 million of non-Muslims had been killed in the name of Islam under the command of their God, Allah.''
Where does this figure come from? Is there also a figure for the number of people killed in the name of kristianity?
I posted this in another thread;
The God of Christianity via Jesus made the offer in the Gospel in John 3:16 and alike. This is indisputable.

Thus babies, toddlers are obviously not Christians by definition re Gospels but children from 3, 4, 5 onwards can be guided by the Christian parents and guardians to enter [not sign literally] into a contract with God and qualify to be a Christian.

Note I prefer the term 'contract' rather than the more appropriate divine "covenant".
The term "contract" implied the obligation that Christians are contractually bound to obey whatever in the Gospels [the terms of the contract].

Fortunately, the critical contractual term all Christians are bound to is that they MUST love all and even their enemies. Therefore Christianity is inherent a pacifist religion, regardless of whether Christians behave well-manneredly or badly.

Similar in Islam, a "Muslim" implied a believer who had entered into a contract [divine covenant] (Arabic ʿahd and mīthāq) with Allah with the Quran containing all the terms of the contract.
Unfortunately, the Quran, i.e. the terms of the contract for a Muslim, contains commands that they kill non-Muslim upon any threat* [fasadin] to Islam.
*Disbelieving Islam itself is a threat among others, e.g. drawing of cartoons, etc.
As such, Islam is an inherently evil laden religion.

Fortunately not all Muslims comply fully with the term of their divine contract.
But even if 10% do comply fully, that is >150 million of them :shock: looking for an opportunity to kill non-Muslims upon any threat to the religion to reap greater rewards for such compliances.
As such, those who killed and claimed to be "Christians" cannot be killing on behalf of Christianity at all because 'killing' [rather is love all even enemies] is not a contractual term they are obligated to comply with.
Sssssnake...
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Re: What causes muslims to be violent

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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 7:05 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:38 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:09 pm How many people have been slaughtered since the 7th century for 'political reasons'? You really should learn how to think more critically and objectively. Just saying.

''> 100 million of non-Muslims had been killed in the name of Islam under the command of their God, Allah.''
Where does this figure come from? Is there also a figure for the number of people killed in the name of kristianity?
I posted this in another thread;
The God of Christianity via Jesus made the offer in the Gospel in John 3:16 and alike. This is indisputable.

Thus babies, toddlers are obviously not Christians by definition re Gospels but children from 3, 4, 5 onwards can be guided by the Christian parents and guardians to enter [not sign literally] into a contract with God and qualify to be a Christian.

Note I prefer the term 'contract' rather than the more appropriate divine "covenant".
The term "contract" implied the obligation that Christians are contractually bound to obey whatever in the Gospels [the terms of the contract].

Fortunately, the critical contractual term all Christians are bound to is that they MUST love all and even their enemies. Therefore Christianity is inherent a pacifist religion, regardless of whether Christians behave well-manneredly or badly.

Similar in Islam, a "Muslim" implied a believer who had entered into a contract [divine covenant] (Arabic ʿahd and mīthāq) with Allah with the Quran containing all the terms of the contract.
Unfortunately, the Quran, i.e. the terms of the contract for a Muslim, contains commands that they kill non-Muslim upon any threat* [fasadin] to Islam.
*Disbelieving Islam itself is a threat among others, e.g. drawing of cartoons, etc.
As such, Islam is an inherently evil laden religion.

Fortunately not all Muslims comply fully with the term of their divine contract.
But even if 10% do comply fully, that is >150 million of them :shock: looking for an opportunity to kill non-Muslims upon any threat to the religion to reap greater rewards for such compliances.
As such, those who killed and claimed to be "Christians" cannot be killing on behalf of Christianity at all because 'killing' [rather is love all even enemies] is not a contractual term they are obligated to comply with.
Sssssnake...
As expected since you don't have any regard for truths, facts, objectivity and rationality.
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Re: What causes muslims to be violent

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:37 am
Sculptor wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:27 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:32 am
You are insulting your own intelligence, objectivity and rationality by being bias and not seeing the full picture ideologically, historically and that of human nature.
...
You are insulting your own intelligence, objectivity and rationality with your confirmation bias.
Pot calling kettle black.
You seem to be in complete denial here.
The US is very good at killing children, having killed 70000 civilians during the Afghan conflict - how many of them do you think were children? More children were killed by American drones than adults died in 9/11
America is the violent one here.
Violence delivered with cold efficiency for 70 years against Islam - how do you think Muslims are likely to respond?
Use your fucking imagination.
IN the face of American horror, 9/11 was a small gesture.
You are making noises as usual and ignoring the points of substance, I repeat;
You are can ignore the facts all you like.
But you are still wrong.
And repeating yourself does not help your case.
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Re: What causes muslims to be violent

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Don't know if the scandinavian saying "one pile of shit is not the excuse for another pile of shit" has an English equal.

Sure - US history is filled with violence. A lot of misdoings have been done in the name of christianity. But that is no reason not to highlight the explicit urge to violence that the quran seems to cater for(haven´t read it all myself). The pieces of what a warrior is allowed to do when winning a battle, the urge to kill unbelievers. I think the second post in this thread sums the situation up well.

But of course, there are other forces that less directly urges for violence. No doubt about that. And - reading the quran is not only about violence, it is fascinating reading. As is the Bible. Jordan Peterson made a lot of reading bible texts. For bad or good, and I do certainly not agree to his interpretations. But those texts says a lot about the human.
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