Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:05 am
gaffo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:57 am
got a laugh out of the image of a lamb offering a man for his/her sins.
I never said anything like that.
If a lamb brought a man to God, then sacrifices would have ceased, after the first one.
to my mind you did, and thus my laugh over the imagery.
Amimals nature - no souls? - is a weak point of your Human centric Religion all western ones are weak in the nature of animals, theologically they are ignored sadly.
I don't think they are at all. I can't imagine where you got that idea.
then provide a works in the canon that addresses this. Jubaless does, but its not in the canon.
the eastern religions - via re-incarnation, do of course, but Christianity is not an Eastern Religion - there there are vague links via prior humans being reborn - Elisha being reborn as Jesus - leaving the empty chair /etc... via Judaism (but it is human centric, and not related to animals)
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:05 am
Human beings might be good 50% of the time, or only 30%, or 90%. The problem is that other remaining percentage...because both you and I know that it can be very, very bad. The last century pretty much proved that.
So at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if my view is more glum than yours, or yours more sunny than mine. What matters is that we both recognize that there is, in human beings, a problem called "evil." And it's not the kind of problem that can be ignored.
On that, we can agree completely.
yes we agree, but i take the speck/beam in mind myself when talking about the evil of folks - who in general view as 80 percent good - some more some less - 80-percent is my general population estimate.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:05 am
There is no division between Messiah and Jesus; they are the same Person, and there is no other.
I believe, from reading the bible, that the synoptics (and Gospel of John too) affirmed the above. but Saul did not, he thought Jesus the man died on the cross, and his messiah was anther, Christ, via the ressurection.
that is my view on the matter, i welcome discussion on this of course.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:05 am
likewise thanks for reply Sir.
Good to talk to you.
as well Sir.