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What causes muslims to be violent

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The followers of Islam seem to be the most violent among the three Abrahamic religions. Of course, there are peaceful muslims, but it is not hard to find one who interprets the Quoran and general Islamic teachings as giving them the permission to commit acts such as blowing themselves up and killing even innocent people.

I was thinking about this and came to believe that the historical context in which Islam was born might have something to do with all of this. Perhaps the reason is that they were persecuted by the Christians from the beggining; adding to this, they are always fighting for control of certain sites which are already claimed by the Christians (because Christianity came first).

Another possibility is of course, that the Quoran allows for the interpretation that violence is accepted, while the Christian and Jewish holy books (bibles) are not so open for interpretations.

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The fundamentals are these facts;
  • 1. ALL humans are "programmed" with a potential to fight and kill which are useful for survival but could lead them to commit the most terrible evil acts.

    2. Some humans are born [NATURE] with an active tendency [out of the above potential] to commit the most terrible acts. Some acquire this active evil tendency during NURTURE.

    3. Re the Principles of Normal Distribution, it is like 20% [best guess] are evil prone via Nature and Nurture. I can justify for this best estimate.

    4. The evil prones are triggered to commit evil via various evil laden stimuli and others, e.g. note the Milgram experiments and others.

    5. From 3, 20% [best guess] of the 1.5 billion++ Muslims i.e. 300 millions :shock: :shock: are evil prone.

    6. A Muslim is a believer who has entered into a spiritual contract to adhere to Allah's commands with a promise of eternal life in heaven [some say with 72 virgins].

    7. Allah commands are contained within the Quran, the core holy texts of Islam that is comprised of 6236 verses.

    8. More than 3400 or 55% of the 6236 verses are laden with evil elements [evil laden] and to the extreme of Allah exhorting believers to kill non-believers [e.g. Quran 5:33 and other warring and killing verses]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_in_the_Quran

    9. The reason why SOME Muslims are violent is because 20% of them are evil prone [5] and they are contracted [6] has to comply the command of Allah [7] but as evil prone, they are more inclined to execute the evil laden commands [8] within the Quran to ensure of the promise of eternal life in heaven with 72 virgins [6]
The above reasons is why SOME [not all] Muslims are so violent and such terrible acts committed by these Muslims are so evident.
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To those 20% evil prone Muslims, if they are not harsh, violent to non-Muslims as commanded in the Quran, they may go to hell.

Btw, the fundamental fault is not with ALL Muslims or even the evil prone Muslims, but the critical root cause is the ideology, not the people. Note this thread;
Do Not Blame Muslims
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24842

No other religion has the above explicit commands to kill and commit violence upon non-believers.
Christianity is fundamentally a pacifist religion with an overriding pacifist maxim, i.e. love your enemies.
Buddhism, Jainism, Taoism also has overriding pacifist theme.
There is some doubts on some Hindu religions but most on a deeper reflection are dominantly pacifist on the principle of Ahimsa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahi%E1%B9%83s%C4%81

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What causes muslims to be violent?
Jews, witches, homosexuals, women, thieves, people who trade stocks, and people who speak out against Islam.

It's the same as Nazis, except the Nazis misunderstood their own texts.

By the way, if any real Muslems are reading this. I think Donald Trump is a Kabalist Jew.
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Systematic wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:53 am What causes muslims to be violent?
Jews, witches, homosexuals, women, thieves, people who trade stocks, and people who speak out against Islam.

It's the same as Nazis, except the Nazis misunderstood their own texts.

By the way, if any real Muslems are reading this. I think Donald Trump is a Kabalist Jew.
You forgot BOOBS. They hate BOOBS in public. Ridiculous.
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kentdavidge wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:24 pm Perhaps the reason is that they were persecuted by the Christians from the beggining...
Seriously? :shock:

No. That didn't happen. Even by Islamic accounts, the Islamic Crusades started because of a dispute between polytheists in Mecca and Mohammed, who was living in Medina in exile. When he came back, he came back with the sword. They he thought that Jews and Christians would join him, it seems, since (as he reasoned) they also believe in "one God." But they didn't. So he rejected them and began his crusades against them, too. And all this is back in the 7th Century, a full 300 years before any of the later Catholic crusades, although there's no reason to regard them as in any sense "Christian" either.

Another possibility is of course, that the Quoran allows for the interpretation that violence is accepted,

It does. Explicitly. Anyone who reads it can see it does. The only debate is how seriously the various Muslim persons are to take what they have been told therein, which remains under dispute among Muslims. Some now profess pacifism, although how "pacifistic" one can be if one is actually following a bloodthirsty warlord is a good question.

So, "What causes Muslims to be violent?" The same thing that caused Atheists in the 20th Century to be so horribly violent, and now causes rioters in American cities to be so violent: human nature, plus an incendiary motive of some kind. That's all it ever takes, it seems. It's a human problem.
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Systematic wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:53 am What causes muslims to be violent?
Jews, witches, homosexuals, women, thieves, people who trade stocks, and people who speak out against Islam.

It's the same as Nazis, except the Nazis misunderstood their own texts.

By the way, if any real Muslems are reading this. I think Donald Trump is a Kabalist Jew.
Your thinking is too constipated with sh:t.

Where is your evidence and justifications for your points above?

"Speaking out against anything" is a critical positive element of human nature.
What is important is 'speaking out against anything' must be done rationally justified soundly with evidence, philosophical critical thinking and wisdom.

The ideology of Islam as represented by the verses of its Holy Book is intrinsically Evil i.e. it is loaded with tons of evil laden elements .
As analyzed the Holy Book of Islam is worst than the Main Kempf in terms of anti-semitism and this is so evident with Muslims killing Jews merely because they are Jewish.
https://twitter.com/politicalislam/stat ... 35?lang=en
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:01 pm So, "What causes Muslims to be violent?" The same thing that caused Atheists in the 20th Century to be so horribly violent, and now causes rioters in American cities to be so violent: human nature, plus an incendiary motive of some kind. That's all it ever takes, it seems. It's a human problem.
Cheap shots!
If you conclude 'it's a human problem' why are you blaming 'Atheists in the 20th Century.
Your thinking is too narrow and shallow.

The riots you mentioned has nothing to do with atheists or non-theists since atheism is not represented by any specific ideology like theism's specific ideology of Christianity, Islam, etc.
Those who rioted were driven by their specific ideology and their inherent evil tendencies.

While some are driven by their evil ideology to commit evil, some are driven by their own inherent evil nature to commit evil independent of their chosen ideology. This is why despite the ideology of Christianity being overriding pacifist, there will be some evil prone Christians who go on their own to commit evil acts and subsequently ask for forgiveness from their God.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:08 am If you conclude 'it's a human problem' why are you blaming 'Atheists in the 20th Century.
Because if it is a human problem, then it's deductively valid to blame any sub-group.

Unless you insist Atheists aren't human.
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Skepdick wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:03 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:08 am If you conclude 'it's a human problem' why are you blaming 'Atheists in the 20th Century.
Because if it is a human problem, then it's deductively valid to blame any sub-group.

Unless you insist Atheists aren't human.
  • Humans caused the whole lot of the world's problems and sufferings.
    Atheists are humans
    Therefore,
    Atheists caused the whole lot of the world's problems and sufferings.
Sound?
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:21 am
Skepdick wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:03 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:08 am If you conclude 'it's a human problem' why are you blaming 'Atheists in the 20th Century.
Because if it is a human problem, then it's deductively valid to blame any sub-group.

Unless you insist Atheists aren't human.
  • Humans caused the whole lot of the world's problems and sufferings.
    Atheists are humans
    Therefore,
    Atheists caused the whole lot of the world's problems and sufferings.
Sound?
It is sound. That's how deduction works. Truth-preservation from the general to the particular.

Or if you want to be a nitpicker.... some humans caused the whole lot of the world's problems and sufferings -> some atheists did too.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:08 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:01 pm So, "What causes Muslims to be violent?" The same thing that caused Atheists in the 20th Century to be so horribly violent, and now causes rioters in American cities to be so violent: human nature, plus an incendiary motive of some kind. That's all it ever takes, it seems. It's a human problem.
Cheap shots!
If you conclude 'it's a human problem' why are you blaming 'Atheists in the 20th Century.
Your thinking is too narrow and shallow.

The riots you mentioned has nothing to do with atheists or non-theists since atheism is not represented by any specific ideology like theism's specific ideology of Christianity, Islam, etc.
Those who rioted were driven by their specific ideology and their inherent evil tendencies.

While some are driven by their evil ideology to commit evil, some are driven by their own inherent evil nature to commit evil independent of their chosen ideology. This is why despite the ideology of Christianity being overriding pacifist, there will be some evil prone Christians who go on their own to commit evil acts and subsequently ask for forgiveness from their God.
Do you believe there may be a just battle that involves violence?
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:08 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:01 pm So, "What causes Muslims to be violent?" The same thing that caused Atheists in the 20th Century to be so horribly violent, and now causes rioters in American cities to be so violent: human nature, plus an incendiary motive of some kind. That's all it ever takes, it seems. It's a human problem.
Cheap shots!
If you conclude 'it's a human problem' why are you blaming 'Atheists in the 20th Century.
Over 100 million killed by Atheist regimes in the last century. Speak to them about what is a "cheap shot."
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:01 pmSo, "What causes Muslims to be violent?" The same thing that caused Atheists in the 20th Century to be so horribly violent, and now causes rioters in American cities to be so violent: human nature, plus an incendiary motive of some kind. That's all it ever takes, it seems. It's a human problem.
Well, that's what you get when a vain, murderous god creates a species in its own image.
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Belinda wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:45 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:08 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:01 pm So, "What causes Muslims to be violent?" The same thing that caused Atheists in the 20th Century to be so horribly violent, and now causes rioters in American cities to be so violent: human nature, plus an incendiary motive of some kind. That's all it ever takes, it seems. It's a human problem.
Cheap shots!
If you conclude 'it's a human problem' why are you blaming 'Atheists in the 20th Century.
Your thinking is too narrow and shallow.

The riots you mentioned has nothing to do with atheists or non-theists since atheism is not represented by any specific ideology like theism's specific ideology of Christianity, Islam, etc.
Those who rioted were driven by their specific ideology and their inherent evil tendencies.

While some are driven by their evil ideology to commit evil, some are driven by their own inherent evil nature to commit evil independent of their chosen ideology. This is why despite the ideology of Christianity being overriding pacifist, there will be some evil prone Christians who go on their own to commit evil acts and subsequently ask for forgiveness from their God.
Do you believe there may be a just battle that involves violence?
Just-battle?
In the present circumstances and state of human psychology, yes just-battle of using 'violence' to stop violence is very necessary when other non-violent methods failed.

In the Quran there are concepts of just-battles but such a last resort measure is very common sense which need no advice. If one group is attacked obviously the other group has to defend in going to battle [justified. Since this is common sense there is no need for any religious commands or advice for such obvious acts to be included in a holy text. Note Sun Tzu 'Art of War' and the likes which is independent of any religion.

However the Ideology of Islam [as evident in doctrines and actions] is mainly about dominance upon its superiority complex and it command & exhorts believers to kill and commit other evil acts to subdue non-believers.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:01 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:08 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:01 pm So, "What causes Muslims to be violent?" The same thing that caused Atheists in the 20th Century to be so horribly violent, and now causes rioters in American cities to be so violent: human nature, plus an incendiary motive of some kind. That's all it ever takes, it seems. It's a human problem.
Cheap shots!
If you conclude 'it's a human problem' why are you blaming 'Atheists in the 20th Century.
Over 100 million killed by Atheist regimes in the last century. Speak to them about what is a "cheap shot."
I say your logic is not sound,

Earlier, you stated,
all the world's problems and suffering are caused by atheists who are humans. i.e. its a human problem.
You are implying those who do not cause problems and sufferings are theists who are not humans.
Over 100 million killed by Atheist regimes in the last century. Speak to them about what is a "cheap shot."
Millions were killed by non-theists but not by the fact that they are non-theistic nor atheistic.
Rather these non-theists killed when driven by their specific evil ideology, e.g. communism, nazism, fascism.
I believe many of the followers of nazism and fascism who participated in the killings were Christians.

Non-theists like Buddhists and the likes do not killed millions because their ideology do not promote killing other humans.

Thus it is wrong for you to use the 'atheist' predicate with those regimes that had killed millions.
Why don't you mention their respective ideology?
Note evil regimes who had killed millions are also driven by religious doctrines, e.g. Islam.
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