How Jesus could be left alone?

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Re: How Jesus could be left alone?

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attofishpi wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:53 pm
Lacewing wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:34 pm
attofishpi wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:28 pm Crazy ain't it? There R bimbos out there that think esoteric writing should be taken as binary - as in - believe it all or discard it all.
Are there? Or are you, as usual, creating an interpretation that suits you rather than acknowledging broader truth?
...and you must have the broadest shoulders among us, since you see that we should either believe it all or dismiss it all.
But I don't think that, atto. What do you find incorrect about the point I offered?
People pick and choose what to believe, based on what suits them...
then they call that the correct interpretation or "the truth" amongst all others.
Do you not see truth in that? Or are you personally challenged by it, and that's why you're acting like an asshole?
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Lacewing wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:01 pm
attofishpi wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:53 pm
Lacewing wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:34 pm
Are there? Or are you, as usual, creating an interpretation that suits you rather than acknowledging broader truth?
...and you must have the broadest shoulders among us, since you see that we should either believe it all or dismiss it all.
But I don't think that, atto. What do you find incorrect about the point I offered?
People pick and choose what to believe, based on what suits them...
then they call that the correct interpretation or "the truth" amongst all others.
Do you not see truth in that? Or are you personally challenged by it, and that's why you're acting like an asshole?
Don't know where you quoted that from.

But ya....challenge me.

Seriously....challenge my misunderstanding of reality.


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attofishpi wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:06 pm
Lacewing wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:01 pm
attofishpi wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:53 pm
...and you must have the broadest shoulders among us, since you see that we should either believe it all or dismiss it all.
But I don't think that, atto. What do you find incorrect about the point I offered?
People pick and choose what to believe, based on what suits them...
then they call that the correct interpretation or "the truth" amongst all others.
Do you not see truth in that? Or are you personally challenged by it, and that's why you're acting like an asshole?
Don't know where you quoted that from.

But ya....challenge me.

Seriously....challenge my misunderstanding of reality.
I quoted it from my previous post. It's what I said. I'm asking you "do you not see truth in it"? Why do you have to immediately jump to being an asshole when I made a perfectly reasonable statement in a philosophy forum?
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Lacewing wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:11 pm
attofishpi wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:06 pm
Lacewing wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:01 pm
But I don't think that, atto. What do you find incorrect about the point I offered?



Do you not see truth in that? Or are you personally challenged by it, and that's why you're acting like an asshole?
Don't know where you quoted that from.

But ya....challenge me.

Seriously....challenge my misunderstanding of reality.
I quoted it from my previous post. It's what I said. I'm asking you "do you not see truth in it"? Why do you have to immediately jump to being an asshole when I made a perfectly reasonable statement in a philosophy forum?
lol. the very fact that you think you posted something reasonable is LMFAO material.

Wot U got LW>?
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Ah c'mon - we both need something to aim at ya>

LW -> a spiritual atheist

atto -> a Christian with gnosis.

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attofishpi wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:13 pm
Lacewing wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:11 pm People pick and choose what to believe, based on what suits them...
then they call that the correct interpretation or "the truth" amongst all others.
the very fact that you think you posted something reasonable is LMFAO material.
Can you see truth in it if you apply it to other people?
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Lacewing wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:25 pm
attofishpi wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:13 pm
Lacewing wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:11 pm People pick and choose what to believe, based on what suits them...
then they call that the correct interpretation or "the truth" amongst all others.
the very fact that you think you posted something reasonable is LMFAO material.
Can you see truth in it if you apply it to other people?
Ys UP...when u deal with me.


Ah c'mon - we both need something to aim at ya>

LW -> a spiritual atheist

atto -> a Christian with gnosis.
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FFS I just gave some target practice.
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Fuck me. No argument. No Challenge. Sleep on it....may great spiritual wisdom come to your short sighted atheist mind.

UR The Curse of the Black Goat.
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bahman wrote: Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:07 pm It appears that the last thing that Jesus said was "Oh God why you have forsaken me?". How this separation could happen if Jesus and God are one.
The tri-fold Abrahamic enterprise in a nutshell:

1. Judaism zeroed-in on the idea that there is only one Supreme Being presiding over the universe.

2. Christianity (as in the life and teachings of Jesus) established our familial relationship to the Supreme Being (as in humans being its literal offspring).

3. Islam established the absolute sovereignty and, especially, the ineffability** of the Supreme Being, while simultaneously correcting the misguided nonsense where Christian authorities mistakenly declared the existence of a Trinity.

**(As in it not being anything we can visualize, hence Islam’s powerful stance against creating depictions of God)

And the point is (as it pertains to your OP), if there is no Trinity, then God and Jesus are not "one."

In which case, the question that Jesus asked was perfectly reasonable.
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Lacewing wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:28 am
gaffo wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:46 pm Mark is the oldest gospel and so the closet to the time of Jesus - 40 yrs after his death, and because of that i think it shows the more accurate picture of events and the man in question.
What of the author himself?
precisely! and why i do not like Saul - even if what he has to say may be of value, i suspect his character (egoist).

Saul's character shows in some of this letters, and its not good, so i have to take his character into account when i read his works, and pars the history/accurate facts from the man's agenda.

per the other authors, they do not show their egos, Matt shows he is a Jew - reformed to Christianity - so has an aganda - to show that Christ is the fullment of the jewish messiah and so goes out of his way to make links about prophecy in the OT to that of Jesus as the messiah and fullment of such prophesy. so per the author of Matt, i see his agenda - to link the OT to the NT, but he does not show his character/lack of - as Saul does IMO - i.e. author of Matt shows an agenda, but not his character.

author of Luke/Mark and even John do not show an "agenda" nor their character, just a viewpoint per themselves about the nature of your Christ.


Lacewing wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:28 am Do his characteristics play into the aspects worth considering logically?
OF COURSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

duh! ALL the authors of both the NT and OT had A THEME!!!!!!!!!!!! - Amos (Whom i love! BTW) had a THEME (all authors have a theme they wish to write about!) - and they wrote to those living in their time!!!!!!!!!!!!! aLL OF THEM - none wrote to an audience 2000 yr later!

what you do is read the work, know when it was written so as to know the author's audience (BTW Job is also a fav of mine - "job" is not a man, it all Israelis living in 250 BC........that author made up a person name "job" to represent Israelis, and wrote at a time to answer ther central question of their time - they being occupied by Babylon, and then "set free" by Persia - and after 587 BC - to 250 (when Job was written - it did not happen - Zarrabal anyone?) Jews were on the brink of killing off their own religion and thier god 250 yrs after they were "Freed" and still finding themselves as a puppet state of Persia and not free) - author of Job wrote his work to address this question (and his work is to those 2300 yrs ago in Judea - not to us or anyone else) - answer was bleak, question not, i.e you are not your God, deal with it.

Lacewing wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:28 am How can you know his personal fears, biases, agendas, motivations, mental limitations? Have you read his original version? Why would the time it was written be the most credible factor?

you can't know any of this, historical records do not exist!

all you can do is read the work to 1st, understand the theme the author wished to present to the reader.

2nd. assume it was aimed to those that lived millinia ago and not to you and me.

3rd, assume the author was a good person via default - i find Saul showing in a few places he was an egoist, and so not a good person, other authors i do not find as i find saul, and via default assume they were good guys. lacking evidence to the contrary i cannot in good conscience convict them.

can i?


Lacewing wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:28 am Look at all the people today who claim what the truth is and how they see it -- at this point in time -- yet they are clearly influenced by countless issues, and in conflict with each other, despite writing about it at the same time! :D
and? there are many fools and asshole - and both in the same body.

all you can do is be informed, per the bible, HISTORY is central, and then go from there - and assume the authors were good fellows by default that wished to inform their congregation of evil, until you sense any red flags - per me and Saul - then take what they say with some salt (for even if the author is a dick, there may be some truth there - so baby/bathwater may not be the wise option).
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Dubious wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:11 am There's the Jesus of the Gospels and there's the actual Jesus being one of the unfortunates who got crucified as so many other blokes the same year.
exactly!
Dubious wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:11 am End of story except that Paul made a resurrection drama out of it and the evangelists created a biography to prove Jesus was divinely born.
Disagree, i take Saul at his word when he said he tormented the Chrsitians as a young thug, i reject that he invented the Ressurection mythos. he heard of it, and saw it as a growing "cult" within Judaism, and said to himself - "how can i gain" - and so adopted the Resurection theme for himself and so became a "the big cheese".

Dubious wrote: Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:11 am The gospels are first and foremost propaganda.
sure, like the Torah before it.
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Lacewing wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:54 am People pick and choose what to believe, based on what suits them...
then they call that the correct interpretation or "the truth" amongst all others.
correct, but there remains what is known - via history/when the works were written/evolution of theology.

so there is an objective understanding of this topic - as the most accurate one - given the meager record.
Lacewing wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:54 am It seems so absurd, but so many are completely serious about it.

:lol:
it is absurd, and all about ego, not truth (truth per history - not truth as in Truth about the meaning of life - which only a fool "knows"). IMO there is no meaning, but welcome schooling on its meaning when i find myself in Hell before Satan).
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attofishpi wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:56 pm ...ah shit. I forgot what makes bimbos think....here:---



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purdy ;-). i like purdy.
gaffo
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Re: How Jesus could be left alone?

Post by gaffo »

too much ego and not enough honest discussion in this forum.

Philosphy now = Twitter, social media mob - lowest level (maybe on par with some chimps - though below the rest? - if so, why am i still here)

or why are you?


i value discussion, not ego/insults - brainstems.


if only brainstems are here then why am i still here? (a question i need to look - long and hard at).

for it profits a man not to gain the world and lose his soul.
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