Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:55 am
gaffo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:47 am
Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:52 am
Where would you like to start?
from the beginning,
use small words I'm thick.
A clue that a reduction on an emphasis of religion leads to progress can be shown historically from the time of the enlightenment. Compare if you will the decline of Rome from the moment Constantine adopted Christianity to its fall
Rome started its fall a good century prior to Constantine, for reason not related to Religion (Emperal Rome had 100's of Religions, and Roman Polytheism - adopted by them from the Greeks centuries earlier due to the foundation of the Roman Republic was via Greek Colonialist to Italy. Who shortly removed the Etruscans via conquest.
Why Rome fell?
THAT is a good question - and one i have no answer for (we know that it allowed its decay from a Republic to an Empire (but i do not think that Empire decay is linked to its self destruction of the Rule of Law as a Republic, for the high point of the Roman Empire was around 120 - a good century after her self removal of the Rule of Law as a Republic and full century before the decay of same said Empire).
Rome's decay began around 250 AD, 75 yrs before Constatine!
Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:55 am
throughout the highly stagnant, and highly religious middle ages. No progress of any kind.
Lets not forget that while the Christian Europeans were decending into the Dark Ages - 450 AD - 1300 AD, the Arabs were assending!
it is they how saved many of the Greek works that were destroyed in the Alexandria fire of 350? ish? - they! who were Religious Muslims.
Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:55 am
The begining of European progress began with the challenge to the Catholic Church in the Reformation, and with the reformation came skepticism.
agreed.
Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:55 am
If you can challenge the curch, then why not the entire basis of its belief? Once god was put under the micrscope things started to change more quickly.
but you simplify!
First the corruption of the Catholic Churches allowed the new faction of Protestants to show up (and many of the them were as rabid or even more rabid than the Cathlics!!!!!!!!!!!!) - the Skepticism showed up a century latter, when the sensible folks saw the Puritans as the same rabid as the old traditional Catholics, and so moved away from former religion all together - and started to read the old Greek works (that the rabid Muslims had saved from historical oblivion).
Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:55 am
But as thing began to improve with thinkers such as Galileo the reaction of the church was to crush learning and progress.
Part 2 later
yep.
but i do not see Religion as to why nations fail.
Rome did not fail over Religion
Ottoman Empire was top dog in the Dark Ages! nearly all lving there were Religious!
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no Religions are not linked to failed empire.
something else is to blame.
if anyone knows what that is - educate me, for i honestly do not know.