roydop wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:45 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:41 am
roydop wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:07 am
How does not thinking about anything equate to "clinging and grasping" to teachings? You're the one quoting scriptures.
There is no way we can stop thoughts and one can think and have thoughts but can be done without being clinging, grasping and attaching to them.
However thoughts and thinking can also arise from desires triggered by clinging, grasping and attaching to various fruits of actions and its cycle due to avidya
even at very sublime levels.
Based on my experiences, it is from the [forceful, very determined] manner you expressed your thoughts above that I infer you are caught within clinging, grasping and attaching to various the fruits of actions and its cycle at the very sublime
It is not a big issue but if you want to reflect deeper, delve into Buddhism-proper, like the Buddhist Tetralemma the Jains' Hexalemma plus other deeper philosophies and practices.
You are mistaking "forceful, very determined" with certainty.
Nope, I am associating it with the psychological, the psychology of the person.
I don't believe in absolute certainty [Wittgenstein].
The fact that you are suggesting further seeking/thinking, down to "very sublime" and "deeper" philosophies indicates that you are still in that mode. I am not.
Are you absolute certain of that?
I do not sit around in/as thought free Awareness to achieve anything. It is it's own reward, completely self-contained and self-fulfilling.
"There is no way we can stop thoughts." You sure about that?
All human beings are programmed to generate "thoughts" and we do not know at point thoughts begin.
The most a living person can do is to shut your awareness to it via various exercises or drugs to put one into deep coma.
Btw, since you are not into arguments and rational justifications, I don't want to waste time on this matter.
Your views is no different from the fundamentalist theists who insist God exists but will not provide sound justifications for his beliefs. In any case, it is impossible for a theist to justify his belief since his ground is based on faith, i.e. beliefs without proof nor rational grounds.
This is also no difference from mental cases making all sorts of unjustified claims.
I am merely presenting my views and if they don't resonate with you it is your discretion to ignore them, else if you insists, then present your arguments and rationale.