Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:33 am
What is held to be right or wrong are manmade criteria .
That's flawed thinking.
What "is
held to be" right or wrong only speaks of the fallible opinions of men. What "IS right or wrong" speaks of whether or not their opinion is correct. Those are different issues.
The function of right and wrong is and always was for social solidarity
No, that's not the case. Social solidarity is, at most, a byproduct of agreement about right and wrong. But right and wrong do not depend on social consensus. If they did, then when women were not allowed to vote, that was right.
Their society agreed they couldn't handle it, would vote badly, would be subject to being propagandized, were too emotional, and were in any case, not the intellectual equals of men in political matters.
Do you agree? That had social solidarity. A majority believed it, and only a small minority though otherwise. Does that mean it was right?
As I said, I need to think more about witch burners, and Nazis, not to mention ISIS.
Yes, that's also a very relevant case. Good thinking.
These are departures sometimes criminal strayings from the larger culture. The larger trend of human cultures and moralities has been and is I sincerely hope towards universality and universalism, and away from tribalism.
Well, I would wish so too; but ISIS is a particularly good case. And since you bring it up, let's think that one through together.
Nobody ever says that Radical Islam does not produce "social solidarity." It sure does that...by brutal force, where it's convenient to do so. But we would not say that because Radical Islam condones forced child marriages and revenge rapes, that they are
right to do those things, would we?
But if forced child marriages and revenge rapes are wrong, it will only be established if we have a code that is bigger, more authoritative and more definitive of good and evil than ISIS Islam's code. So to what code or principle shall we refer in order to establish that forced child marriages and revenge rapes are really, truly, universally, and always wrong?