Trinity

[bahman]

How Trinity is possible if Son is united to Father but Father is the highest and knows certain things, like the end of time, that Son doesn't know?

I should not worry about it.
The idea of the Trinity predates Christianity, and was adopted to appease traditional Pagan religions.
Isaac Newton studied this extensively and declared that such a doctrine was not present in the Bible.
You should not expect mythical notions to make sense. If Adam and Eve were the first humans ,who did Cain marry; and are we all incestuous?
Same question about Noah - if god killed everyone except his small family then how come our DNA is so diverse?
Shall I go on?

Very true.

[bahman]

And each of those order parameters are H2O.

H2O exists in three different states. Matter also exists in multiple states, solid/liquid/gas/plasma. One thing can exist in multiple states.

Getting back to H2O. H2O can take the state of ice, liquid or steam. Each of these states are H2O.

You have an assembly of H2O. There are measurable order parameters for such a system in any given state. Sometimes in one state one order parameter is large and other parameters are small, such liquid. Sometimes, two order parameters are large like an equilibrium between water and gas. Etc.

And those parameters are the states through which H2O exists.

Those order parameters define the state.

[Eodnhoj7]

You have an assembly of H2O. There are measurable order parameters for such a system in any given state. Sometimes in one state one order parameter is large and other parameters are small, such liquid. Sometimes, two order parameters are large like an equilibrium between water and gas. Etc.

And those parameters are the states through which H2O exists.

Those order parameters define the state.

An order parameter is a state.

[Eodnhoj7]

How Trinity is possible if Son is united to Father but Father is the highest and knows certain things, like the end of time, that Son doesn't know?

I should not worry about it.
The idea of the Trinity predates Christianity, and was adopted to appease traditional Pagan religions.
Isaac Newton studied this extensively and declared that such a doctrine was not present in the Bible.
You should not expect mythical notions to make sense. If Adam and Eve were the first humans ,who did Cain marry; and are we all incestuous?
Same question about Noah - if god killed everyone except his small family then how come our DNA is so diverse?
Shall I go on?

Very true.

Isaac Newton also claimed for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction which contradicts the principle of non contradiction (P=/=-P).

[bahman]

And those parameters are the states through which H2O exists.

Those order parameters define the state.

An order parameter is a state.

No. An order parameter like any other parameter is a measurable quality.

[Eodnhoj7]

Those order parameters define the state.

An order parameter is a state.

No. An order parameter like any other parameter is a measurable quality.

And so are states. A state is an application of boundaries which form a phenomenon. "Order parameter" and "state" are synonyms. A simple example of a state having measurable boundaries is a state as a part of a country. The state is both the country in which it lies and an individual entity in itself.

[bahman]

An order parameter is a state.

No. An order parameter like any other parameter is a measurable quality.

And so are states. A state is an application of boundaries which form a phenomenon. "Order parameter" and "state" are synonyms. A simple example of a state having measurable boundaries is a state as a part of a country. The state is both the country in which it lies and an individual entity in itself.

State is not an measuarble quality and instead is an index.

[Nick_A]

The hegelian triad is one thing in which one idea follows another

The triad thesis, antithesis, synthesis (German: These, Antithese, Synthese; originally:[1] Thesis, Antithesis, Synthesis) is a progression of three ideas or propositions in which the first idea is followed by a second idea that negates the first, and the conflict between the first and second ideas is resolved by a third idea.[2] It is often used to explain the dialectical method of German philosopher Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel,[3] but Hegel never used the terms himself, as instead his triad was concrete, abstract, absolute. Thesis, antithesis, synthesis originated with Johann Fichte.[1]

With the Christian triad the father, son, and holy spirit exist simultaneously as one and three. Impossible? not for those who have seen in a new way.

[Dontaskme]

What knows the sensation then?

Mind.

The mind is a known concept. This is known.

But what knows the known?

You cannot just say the mind knows ...else you might just as well have said Fred Flintstone knows the sensation.

The mind knows itself as a concept, so to then say the known concept is the one who is self aware in that it knows a sensation as and when it arises is absurd. As concepts are not conscious.

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[Eodnhoj7]

No. An order parameter like any other parameter is a measurable quality.

And so are states. A state is an application of boundaries which form a phenomenon. "Order parameter" and "state" are synonyms. A simple example of a state having measurable boundaries is a state as a part of a country. The state is both the country in which it lies and an individual entity in itself.

State is not an measuarble quality and instead is an index.

An index is a measurable quality as it necessitates different grades of being. At best your definitions are grounded in a tautology (order parameter)--> (state) ---> (index) where the definitions, as synonyms to eachother, manifest under a continual regress in definition. All are sub-definitions under the word "measurement".

___________measurement__________
(order parameter)--> (state) ---> (index)

As Nick points out, the hegelian triad necessitates 1 thing, the assertion, existing as three modes at once.

One thing can exist in multiple states through recursion, where the original assertion manifests itself in newer states through a tautology.

[bahman]

What knows the sensation then?

Mind.

The mind is a known concept. This is known.

No, you are talking about the concept of mind, which, also present to mind.

But what knows the known?

Mind. Knowledge does not exist as an event/experience. That is the mind that experiences it.

You cannot just say the mind knows ...else you might just as well have said Fred Flintstone knows the sensation.

Are you talking about self?

The mind knows itself as a concept, so to then say the known concept is the one who is self aware in that it knows a sensation as and when it arises is absurd. As concepts are not conscious.

.

We are aware that we are aware. We deduce it though. Full awareness is too much to stand it.

[bahman]

And so are states. A state is an application of boundaries which form a phenomenon. "Order parameter" and "state" are synonyms. A simple example of a state having measurable boundaries is a state as a part of a country. The state is both the country in which it lies and an individual entity in itself.

State is not an measuarble quality and instead is an index.

An index is a measurable quality as it necessitates different grades of being. At best your definitions are grounded in a tautology (order parameter)--> (state) ---> (index) where the definitions, as synonyms to eachother, manifest under a continual regress in definition. All are sub-definitions under the word "measurement".

___________measurement__________
(order parameter)--> (state) ---> (index)

As Nick points out, the hegelian triad necessitates 1 thing, the assertion, existing as three modes at once.

One thing can exist in multiple states through recursion, where the original assertion manifests itself in newer states through a tautology.

Even liquide state is defined with a set of order parameters. The point is that most of these order parameters are small or zero. So.

[Eodnhoj7]

State is not an measuarble quality and instead is an index.

An index is a measurable quality as it necessitates different grades of being. At best your definitions are grounded in a tautology (order parameter)--> (state) ---> (index) where the definitions, as synonyms to eachother, manifest under a continual regress in definition. All are sub-definitions under the word "measurement".

___________measurement__________
(order parameter)--> (state) ---> (index)

As Nick points out, the hegelian triad necessitates 1 thing, the assertion, existing as three modes at once.

One thing can exist in multiple states through recursion, where the original assertion manifests itself in newer states through a tautology.

Even liquide state is defined with a set of order parameters. The point is that most of these order parameters are small or zero. So.

And what is an order parameter?

[bahman]

An index is a measurable quality as it necessitates different grades of being. At best your definitions are grounded in a tautology (order parameter)--> (state) ---> (index) where the definitions, as synonyms to eachother, manifest under a continual regress in definition. All are sub-definitions under the word "measurement".

___________measurement__________
(order parameter)--> (state) ---> (index)

As Nick points out, the hegelian triad necessitates 1 thing, the assertion, existing as three modes at once.

One thing can exist in multiple states through recursion, where the original assertion manifests itself in newer states through a tautology.

Even liquide state is defined with a set of order parameters. The point is that most of these order parameters are small or zero. So.

And what is an order parameter?

Order parameter like external parameters (for example, temperture, valume) is an messurable quality (like comprasibility).

[Eodnhoj7]

Even liquide state is defined with a set of order parameters. The point is that most of these order parameters are small or zero. So.

And what is an order parameter?

Order parameter like external parameters (for example, temperture, valume) is an messurable quality (like comprasibility).

So order parameters is a measurable quality yet we measure phenomenon according to their states. Liquids in liters, gas in liters and solids in weight. States determine how we measure thus states are meaurable.

To observe a state is to observe a corresponding means of measurement which comes with it. States are inseperable from means of measuring.