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Evolution as Creationism

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:39 pm

Evolution is a creation of tautologies, one thing variates into another as an adaptation to chaos.

It does not contradict creationism in the respect evolution is the means through which being is created.

Evolution is a means of creation.


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Re: Evolution as Creationism

Post by Scott Mayers » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:26 am

You are just taking the understood label of Evangelical Christians who call themselves as "Creationists" and pointing to its generic meaning. When this is debated, it is in light of something political, like as to whether these particular people should be permitted to teach their religious interpretation of human origins as "science" in public schools. Equating the two would be is what the Christain apologists want for the sake of legally getting their propaganda into biology.

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Re: Evolution as Creationism

Post by gaffo » Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:34 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:39 pm
Evolution is a creation of tautologies, one thing variates into another as an adaptation to chaos.

It does not contradict creationism in the respect evolution is the means through which being is created.

Evolution is a means of creation.


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Re: Evolution as Creationism

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:32 pm

Scott Mayers wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:26 am
You are just taking the understood label of Evangelical Christians who call themselves as "Creationists" and pointing to its generic meaning. When this is debated, it is in light of something political, like as to whether these particular people should be permitted to teach their religious interpretation of human origins as "science" in public schools. Equating the two would be is what the Christain apologists want for the sake of legally getting their propaganda into biology.
Not necessarily, we create symbols through tautologies and tautologies are the evolution of symbols.

The same applies for other phenomenon. It is a variation of one thing into many.
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Re: Evolution as Creationism

Post by Skepdick » Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:47 pm

Scott Mayers wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:26 am
You are just taking the understood label of Evangelical Christians who call themselves as "Creationists" and pointing to its generic meaning. When this is debated, it is in light of something political, like as to whether these particular people should be permitted to teach their religious interpretation of human origins as "science" in public schools. Equating the two would be is what the Christain apologists want for the sake of legally getting their propaganda into biology.
Would you say that "Creationism" and "Constructivism" are equally undesirable doctrines?

God created knowledge. God created the universe.
Humans construct knowledge. The universe is a computer simulation.

Semantics...

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Re: Evolution as Creationism

Post by Sculptor » Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:02 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:39 pm
Evolution is a creation of tautologies, one thing variates into another as an adaptation to chaos.

It does not contradict creationism in the respect evolution is the means through which being is created.

Evolution is a means of creation.


Discuss
This is confused and incoherent.
If the passage had been written in a way that actually made sense it would probably be wrong.

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Re: Evolution as Creationism

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:21 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:02 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:39 pm
Evolution is a creation of tautologies, one thing variates into another as an adaptation to chaos.

It does not contradict creationism in the respect evolution is the means through which being is created.

Evolution is a means of creation.


Discuss
This is confused and incoherent.
If the passage had been written in a way that actually made sense it would probably be wrong.
Evolution is the adaptation of one phenomenon to a new context.

In adapting it inverts from one state to another (ex: a moth changes its patterns to fit its newer surroundings, or a symbol Inverts its meaning to a new meaning in light of a new context.). This is the creation of a tautology, one thing expressed in a different way.

In inverting from one state to another a new phenomenon is created. Creation is the inversion of one thing into a new state.

Thus in evolving a new phenomenon is created. Evolution and creationism exist as connected principles.
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Re: Evolution as Creationism

Post by Sculptor » Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:38 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:21 pm
Sculptor wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:02 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:39 pm
Evolution is a creation of tautologies, one thing variates into another as an adaptation to chaos.

It does not contradict creationism in the respect evolution is the means through which being is created.

Evolution is a means of creation.


Discuss
This is confused and incoherent.
If the passage had been written in a way that actually made sense it would probably be wrong.
Evolution is the adaptation of one phenomenon to a new context.
Which version of evolution are you referring to here. This is not how natural selection can be described, so you are already on a sticky wicket.

In adapting it inverts from one state to another (ex: a moth changes its patterns to fit its newer surroundings, or a symbol Inverts its meaning to a new meaning in light of a new context.). This is the creation of a tautology, one thing expressed in a different way.
"IT" ??? What are you talking about. "IT" does not adapt or invert.
Who says it is tautology? DO you even know what that means?
When you say context, I assume you mean environment? Why not say environment?
Evolution is the change. It is the effect. It is not a cause.
It seems increasingly clear that you tendency to confused what you call "evolution" with "creation" is based on your failure to understand what is meant by evolution in a scientific sense.

In inverting from one state to another a new phenomenon is created. Creation is the inversion of one thing into a new state.

Thus in evolving a new phenomenon is created. Evolution and creationism exist are connected principles.
More confusion and incoherence.
Is English a second language?

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Re: Evolution as Creationism

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:54 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:38 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:21 pm
Sculptor wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:02 pm


This is confused and incoherent.
If the passage had been written in a way that actually made sense it would probably be wrong.
Evolution is the adaptation of one phenomenon to a new context.
Which version of evolution are you referring to here. This is not how natural selection can be described, so you are already on a sticky wicket.
Evolution is adaptation.

In adapting it inverts from one state to another (ex: a moth changes its patterns to fit its newer surroundings, or a symbol Inverts its meaning to a new meaning in light of a new context.). This is the creation of a tautology, one thing expressed in a different way.
"IT" ??? What are you talking about. "IT" does not adapt or invert.
The phenomenon, be it an organism or abstract symbol.


Who says it is tautology? DO you even know what that means?
The expression of one phenomenon in two or more different modes of being.


When you say context, I assume you mean environment? Why not say environment?
Because context applies not just to the evolution of organisms but symbols as well.


Evolution is the change. It is the effect. It is not a cause.
Evolution is a cause of change.


It seems increasingly clear that you tendency to confused what you call "evolution" with "creation" is based on your failure to understand what is meant by evolution in a scientific sense.

Evolution is not limited to organisms, buy concepts, language, technology, etc.
As such it is an adaptation to a new context. Evolution is universal.


In inverting from one state to another a new phenomenon is created. Creation is the inversion of one thing into a new state.

Thus in evolving a new phenomenon is created. Evolution and creationism exist are connected principles.
More confusion and incoherence.
Is English a second language?

Evolution applies to all phenomenon, not just organisms.
Evolution is a universal principle that applies not only to organisms, but concepts as well. As applicable to concepts it is synonymous to a tautology. "Tautology" and "evolution", as principles, are both tautologies and evolutions of the other.

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Re: Evolution as Creationism

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:12 pm

Evolution is a universal principle that applies not only to organisms, but concepts as well. As applicable to concepts it is synonymous to a tautology. "Tautology" and "evolution", as principles, are both tautologies and evolutions of the other, thus subject to their own laws.

The creation of a context is the creation of a phenomenon in a new light. Be it an organism/abstract symbol the previous phenomenon becomes anew through a new context. Context creation is the creation of a new phenomenon as the inversion of one phenomenon into another.

Evolution is the expression of one phenomen in many new ways, thus is an expression of one phenomenon through multiple contexts. Be it an empirical organism or abstract symbol, one phenomenon is created anew in a different context. Evolution is creationism through contextuality.

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Re: Evolution as Creationism

Post by Sculptor » Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:50 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:54 pm
Sculptor wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:38 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:21 pm

Evolution is the adaptation of one phenomenon to a new context.
Which version of evolution are you referring to here. This is not how natural selection can be described, so you are already on a sticky wicket.
Evolution is adaptation.

In adapting it inverts from one state to another (ex: a moth changes its patterns to fit its newer surroundings, or a symbol Inverts its meaning to a new meaning in light of a new context.). This is the creation of a tautology, one thing expressed in a different way.
"IT" ??? What are you talking about. "IT" does not adapt or invert.
The phenomenon, be it an organism or abstract symbol.


Who says it is tautology? DO you even know what that means?
The expression of one phenomenon in two or more different modes of being.


When you say context, I assume you mean environment? Why not say environment?
Because context applies not just to the evolution of organisms but symbols as well.


Evolution is the change. It is the effect. It is not a cause.
Evolution is a cause of change.


It seems increasingly clear that you tendency to confused what you call "evolution" with "creation" is based on your failure to understand what is meant by evolution in a scientific sense.

Evolution is not limited to organisms, buy concepts, language, technology, etc.
As such it is an adaptation to a new context. Evolution is universal.


In inverting from one state to another a new phenomenon is created. Creation is the inversion of one thing into a new state.

Thus in evolving a new phenomenon is created. Evolution and creationism exist are connected principles.
More confusion and incoherence.
Is English a second language?

Evolution applies to all phenomenon, not just organisms.
Evolution is a universal principle that applies not only to organisms, but concepts as well. As applicable to concepts it is synonymous to a tautology. "Tautology" and "evolution", as principles, are both tautologies and evolutions of the other.
You don't know what you are talking about.

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Re: Evolution as Creationism

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:11 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:50 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:54 pm
Sculptor wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:38 pm

Which version of evolution are you referring to here. This is not how natural selection can be described, so you are already on a sticky wicket.

"IT" ??? What are you talking about. "IT" does not adapt or invert.
The phenomenon, be it an organism or abstract symbol.


Who says it is tautology? DO you even know what that means?
The expression of one phenomenon in two or more different modes of being.


When you say context, I assume you mean environment? Why not say environment?
Because context applies not just to the evolution of organisms but symbols as well.


Evolution is the change. It is the effect. It is not a cause.
Evolution is a cause of change.


It seems increasingly clear that you tendency to confused what you call "evolution" with "creation" is based on your failure to understand what is meant by evolution in a scientific sense.

More confusion and incoherence.
Is English a second language?

Evolution applies to all phenomenon, not just organisms.
Evolution is a universal principle that applies not only to organisms, but concepts as well. As applicable to concepts it is synonymous to a tautology. "Tautology" and "evolution", as principles, are both tautologies and evolutions of the other.
You don't know what you are talking about.
And what is the stance that you are asserting is true and infallible?

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Re: Evolution as Creationism

Post by Sculptor » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:28 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:11 pm
Sculptor wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:50 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:54 pm


Evolution is a universal principle that applies not only to organisms, but concepts as well. As applicable to concepts it is synonymous to a tautology. "Tautology" and "evolution", as principles, are both tautologies and evolutions of the other.
You don't know what you are talking about.
And what is the stance that you are asserting is true and infallible?
I can tell you what is evident.

1) You seem to be wanting to conflate two separate, even opposite things. a) What you call "evolution", and b) creationism.
2) It is further evident that this conflation is due to the fact that you have no accurate or detailed knowledge of "evolution". You have missed my reference to "natural selection", and do not have a clear model of "evolution".
3) Your apprehension of "evolution" is confused and it is not surprise that you have conflated it with creationism.

Until you understand what the difference is through learning, you shall continue to make this fundamental mistake.

I doubt your mind is either open enough of flexible enough to understand current ideas on evolution, as you seem to prefer to remain in ignorance.

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Re: Evolution as Creationism

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:26 am

Sculptor wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:28 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:11 pm
Sculptor wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:50 pm

You don't know what you are talking about.
And what is the stance that you are asserting is true and infallible?
I can tell you what is evident.

1) You seem to be wanting to conflate two separate, even opposite things. a) What you call "evolution", and b) creationism.
2) It is further evident that this conflation is due to the fact that you have no accurate or detailed knowledge of "evolution". You have missed my reference to "natural selection", and do not have a clear model of "evolution".
3) Your apprehension of "evolution" is confused and it is not surprise that you have conflated it with creationism.

Until you understand what the difference is through learning, you shall continue to make this fundamental mistake.

I doubt your mind is either open enough of flexible enough to understand current ideas on evolution, as you seem to prefer to remain in ignorance.
Of course they are conflated, the title is "Evolution as Creationism". I am arguing how they are the same, not how they are different.

Natural selection is the survival of an organism in face of environmental change. It is the adaptation, or failure of, an organism to a new context of existence. The change in context causes the organism to be recreated in a new variation.

Anyhow...

Actually the stance on evolution I am presenting can be found in a dictionary.

Evolution:

"the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth."

"the gradual development of something, especially from a simple to a more complex form.
"the forms of written languages undergo constant evolution""


Evolution is tautological in nature.

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