Why Christianity May Be the Most Logical Religion.

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Why Christianity May Be the Most Logical Religion.

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:18 pm

1. Man is the measure of all things.

2. Man is made in the image of Divine Reason through the capacity of measuring phenomenon, with this measuring capacity existing through the recursion and isomorphism from the source (ie the capacity to measure is inverted into another capacity to measure and repeated).

3. The first born of man would be Jesus Christ, as both the center point of reason, where all men and women in their capacity to reason are variations of this one source. Christ is God synthesizing with his own image.

4. All men and women are co-creators through the one source with creation being the measuring of phenomenon by the seperation and connection of phenomenon. God synthesizes to his creation where creation is a recursion of God. The source joins to its image as a means of measurement.

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Re: Why Christianity May Be the Most Logical Religion.

Post by Veritas Aequitas » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:24 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:18 pm
1. Man is the measure of all things.

2. Man is made in the image of Divine Reason through the capacity of measuring phenomenon, with this measuring capacity existing through the recursion and isomorphism from the source (ie the capacity to measure is inverted into another capacity to measure and repeated).

3. The first born of man would be Jesus Christ, as both the center point of reason, where all men and women in their capacity to reason are variations of this one source. Christ is God synthesizing with his own image.

4. All men and women are co-creators through the one source with creation being the measuring of phenomenon by the seperation and connection of phenomenon. God synthesizes to his creation where creation is a recursion of God. The source joins to its image as a means of measurement.
Only premise 1 is acceptable - Protagoras.

The rest of the premises 2-4 are false.
Image??

I do agree Christianity is the most logical and optimal religion relative the present circumstances given there are no effective alternatives to deal with the inherent and unavoidable existential crisis.
Whilst Christianity is optimal to the current circumstance it is not a universally foolproof approach since it has its baggage of negatives and cons.

However I am very optimistic, given the current progressing and expanding trend of knowledge, humanity will be able to establish foolproof alternatives to replace Christianity as the most optimal approach to deal with the inherent and unavoidable existential crisis in the future.

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Re: Why Christianity May Be the Most Logical Religion.

Post by HexHammer » Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:07 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:18 pm
1. Man is the measure of all things.
Yadda yadda, bla bla ..bla!! Please go elsewhere with your skitzo nonsense and babble!!

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Re: Why Christianity May Be the Most Logical Religion.

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:16 pm

HexHammer wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:07 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:18 pm
1. Man is the measure of all things.
Yadda yadda, bla bla ..bla!! Please go elsewhere with your skitzo nonsense and babble!!
That is a quote from protagoras, I would hardly call it schizo-nonsense.

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Re: Why Christianity May Be the Most Logical Religion.

Post by Lacewing » Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:25 pm

How is it possible to be the "most logical" when based on beliefs that are illogical to start with?

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Re: Why Christianity May Be the Most Logical Religion.

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:03 pm

Lacewing wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:25 pm
How is it possible to be the "most logical" when based on beliefs that are illogical to start with?
All religions, philosophies and sciences begin with assertions. These assertions are "proven" based upon their connection to other assertions, yet this still leaves the elephant in the room that these are still assertions.

Under the premise that reality is an replication from the source, and is reassumed by the source, both reality and the source are joined together as one. Christianity follows this premise and set of logical formalities. Creation is joined to the creator.

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Re: Why Christianity May Be the Most Logical Religion.

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:04 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:24 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:18 pm
1. Man is the measure of all things.

2. Man is made in the image of Divine Reason through the capacity of measuring phenomenon, with this measuring capacity existing through the recursion and isomorphism from the source (ie the capacity to measure is inverted into another capacity to measure and repeated).

3. The first born of man would be Jesus Christ, as both the center point of reason, where all men and women in their capacity to reason are variations of this one source. Christ is God synthesizing with his own image.

4. All men and women are co-creators through the one source with creation being the measuring of phenomenon by the seperation and connection of phenomenon. God synthesizes to his creation where creation is a recursion of God. The source joins to its image as a means of measurement.
Only premise 1 is acceptable - Protagoras.

The rest of the premises 2-4 are false.
Image??

I do agree Christianity is the most logical and optimal religion relative the present circumstances given there are no effective alternatives to deal with the inherent and unavoidable existential crisis.
Whilst Christianity is optimal to the current circumstance it is not a universally foolproof approach since it has its baggage of negatives and cons.

However I am very optimistic, given the current progressing and expanding trend of knowledge, humanity will be able to establish foolproof alternatives to replace Christianity as the most optimal approach to deal with the inherent and unavoidable existential crisis in the future.
Read response to Lacewing.

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Re: Why Christianity May Be the Most Logical Religion.

Post by attofishpi » Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:44 am

Lacewing wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:25 pm
How is it possible to be the "most logical" when based on beliefs that are illogical to start with?
What beliefs are illogical?

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Re: Why Christianity May Be the Most Logical Religion.

Post by Lacewing » Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:47 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:03 pm
Lacewing wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:25 pm
How is it possible to be the "most logical" when based on beliefs that are illogical to start with?
Under the premise that reality is an replication from the source, and is reassumed by the source, both reality and the source are joined together as one. Christianity follows this premise and set of logical formalities. Creation is joined to the creator.
As creators, ourselves, we create constantly in endless forms -- and our creations are not replicas of us, nor do they belong to us -- nor are we sole creators.

So how is it logical to think that there's a sole creator (of some sort) replicating itself through us, and that we somehow belong to that? It doesn't fit anything else we see in nature. What it does fit is man's need to feel significant and protected. What if man were to move beyond that? Instead of digging in deeper and burying awareness in an inexplicable religious framework, what if we look to nature for an actual ever-present display of the fluidity and vastness that more accurately describes/represents us?

Do you think we see/perceive all there is? With all of our human limitations? So where are these "creation premises" coming from, and what are they really serving?

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Re: Why Christianity May Be the Most Logical Religion.

Post by HexHammer » Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:49 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:16 pm
HexHammer wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:07 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:18 pm
1. Man is the measure of all things.
Yadda yadda, bla bla ..bla!! Please go elsewhere with your skitzo nonsense and babble!!
That is a quote from protagoras, I would hardly call it schizo-nonsense.
I don't care who you quote, it's still wrong and if you can't tell if he is wrong, then not only are not skitzo but flatline RQ!

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Re: Why Christianity May Be the Most Logical Religion.

Post by Lacewing » Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:56 am

attofishpi wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:44 am
Lacewing wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:25 pm
How is it possible to be the "most logical" when based on beliefs that are illogical to start with?
What beliefs are illogical?
Seriously? :lol: Please see my response to Eodnhoj7.

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Re: Why Christianity May Be the Most Logical Religion.

Post by attofishpi » Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:02 am

Lacewing wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:56 am
attofishpi wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:44 am
Lacewing wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:25 pm
How is it possible to be the "most logical" when based on beliefs that are illogical to start with?
What beliefs are illogical?
Seriously? :lol: Please see my response to Eodnhoj7.
I did. Waffle addressing waffle doesn't cut the mustard.

What Christian beliefs are illogical?

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Re: Why Christianity May Be the Most Logical Religion.

Post by Lacewing » Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:39 am

attofishpi wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:02 am
Lacewing wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:56 am
attofishpi wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:44 am
What beliefs are illogical?
Seriously? :lol: Please see my response to Eodnhoj7.
I did. Waffle addressing waffle doesn't cut the mustard.

What Christian beliefs are illogical?
Pretty much everything based on supernatural ideas and stories that have no basis in reality.

How about you tell me which beliefs are logical? That should be a much shorter list.

P.S. Claiming something is waffle when it's a reasonable explanation of logic is chickenshit. Show how your logic differs.

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Re: Why Christianity May Be the Most Logical Religion.

Post by attofishpi » Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:48 am

Lacewing wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:39 am
attofishpi wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:02 am
Lacewing wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:56 am

Seriously? :lol: Please see my response to Eodnhoj7.
I did. Waffle addressing waffle doesn't cut the mustard.

What Christian beliefs are illogical?
Pretty much everything based on supernatural ideas and stories that have no basis in reality.
That right there is a fallacy. If God exists, then there is nothing 'supernatural' about it, there must be a reasonable account for its existence, we simply don't have one...yet.
Lacewing wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:39 am
How about you tell me which beliefs are logical? That should be a much shorter list.
Naw, a bit of a cop-out right there Lacey. Go ahead, list all or at least some of the illogical beliefs of Christianity.

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Re: Why Christianity May Be the Most Logical Religion.

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:04 am

Lacewing wrote:
Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:47 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:03 pm
Lacewing wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:25 pm
How is it possible to be the "most logical" when based on beliefs that are illogical to start with?
Under the premise that reality is an replication from the source, and is reassumed by the source, both reality and the source are joined together as one. Christianity follows this premise and set of logical formalities. Creation is joined to the creator.
As creators, ourselves, we create constantly in endless forms -- and our creations are not replicas of us, nor do they belong to us -- nor are we sole creators.

We are co-creators through the source and our creations are extensions of how we perceive the world.

So how is it logical to think that there's a sole creator (of some sort) replicating itself through us, and that we somehow belong to that?
All is connected through a single source with all being existing as variations of it. For example all phenomenon, as having shape, are traceable loops...many loops as variations of eachother summited under one loop. It is the commonalities of being que being which necessitate a single source as a summation of it all.



It doesn't fit anything else we see in nature. What it does fit is man's need to feel significant and protected. What if man were to move beyond that? Instead of digging in deeper and burying awareness in an inexplicable religious framework, what if we look to nature for an actual ever-present display of the fluidity and vastness that more accurately describes/represents us?

If we turn to nature we still use religion as a sort of dogma to explain it all. Religion is innate within man's ability to reason as it necessitates a form of unity. Religion, through dogma of any type, is a move towards unity.

Do you think we see/perceive all there is?

No.

With all of our human limitations?
Even if we do not see all there is we can see commonalities underlying all of creation.


So where are these "creation premises" coming from, and what are they really serving?

Creation is the replication of one phenomena into a new form. This new form in turn is reassumed by the creator as the creator existing through himself.

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