Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:01 am
gaffo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:59 pm
I doubt you value Leviticus.
It's a harder book, for sure.
to each their own
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:01 am
But I do value it. It has some really neat things in it,
I don't see value in that work - but maybe missed something, what do you see of value in it? curious.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:01 am
so tell my why you like those works above Sir!
Oh, different reasons...not all for the same reason, obviously.
I'd welcome your top 3 or 4 works and why you value theme.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:01 am
Why did you pick those you picked?
Thanks for asking - and why this forum is here (discussion).
note all works of the bible were written by a person that wished to write about a theme to his congregation. Sometimes the work is more tuned to the times and audience that lived at that time - and not for audiences miinia later (The Apocalypse for example - Rome is the enemy, the whore sits on the seven hills of the city of Rome, Nero is the antichrist - personally. theme is apt to persons living in the near east at that time, but not so much in the here and now (new revisionist views of independant baptists/penotcostals of Roman Catholic Pope as the antichrist/gog and megog - third temple be built before christ comes/etc is hogwash and not in that work an any way.
BTW i think the author of that work was a former Essene, converted to Christianity (so a former Jewish Nationalist and prob a follower to John the Bap prior to becoming a follower of JoB deciple Jesus.
in order of personal favorites:
Amos - Theme:
Pride =Sin
Day of Yahwah should not be welcomed (Pentocostal's welcoming the end times anyone? - 2800 yrs later!), but feared! (ie. only the pridefull assume they are pure and welcome the end times (they assumed they will be saved). Pride comes before the fall! Such a prideful mindset is hubtris and the opposite of the virtue Humility.
the Humble to not welcome nor wish for the Day of Yahwah, instead the pray to their God to not have it (due to having a mind toward Humility (maybe i do not measure up even though i an Amos/follow Amos/etc))! Lets just call it off, and hope we can become better without nearly all of us being damned on the Day of Yahwah.
Jonah - Theme:
all men are brothers in spirit and nature (regardless of tribe/faith). this author shows Jonah as a dick throughout the work (relucant to go the Niniva, hates the plant that his God makes grow to shade him at the end of the work, ignores that even the "cows" of Niniva wear sackcloth, sleeps while the heathen polytheistic greek fishermen are nashing thier teeth over whether to throw Jonah overboard or not to appease their Posidon/etc.
so that works theme is Universal Humanism - written shorty after Ezra's tribal screed forbidding Jews and NonJews from intermarrying (and nullifing such marriages - fresh off the Persion/Babylonian boat - freedom via King Darius - to return to the land of the Jews (being gone 73 yrs and not even being born there - i.e a foriegner - now telling the "natives" that their wifes/husbands are thugs of no morality for not being Jews and said marraiges are null and void). Jonah was written around 300 BC - century after Ezra's filth, to counter it - all men are the same - some are dicks some as not - same proportion regardless of thier faith.
Job - theme:
Question not God. to so is to claim you are God! instead be Humble and submit to all the shit God give you (theme of Job - is similar to Amos, though Amos is more toward Pride as a vise (and Humilty is the opposite of) - while Job is about not questioning god's nature or actions - and by not questioning one is Humble.
Job is the newest work BTW - it was written around 250 yrs BC - when the Jews were wondering if thier God was just to allow first the Babylonians to rule then, and then the Persians (esp after Darius "freed the Jews" 200 yrs prior (when he in effect "Freed them" (killed? Zarababel - died), yet remained under rule of Persia as a "protectorate" (until the Greeks took control, then the Jews freed themselves of the Greeks via the Macabbess (refer to those 3 works - in the Appocripha/Greek Orthodox Church's Canon)........................by 250 BC jewish folks were starting to doubt thier God's morality and their Faith - being an occupied land for 2-3 centuries.
Author's of that work is quite bleak but also apt: To not question God! to do so is to claim you are your God and sinful.
Author's answer as to why God allows injustice to the Jews is likewise bleak, there is no answer man/you nor I can know. Shit just happans, deal with it. Job is a very Fatalistic work (Fatalism is a concept foriegn to americans - who think they are self made) - but it quite common in the 3d world (as well as all cultures 2300 yrs ago).
Gospel of Mark is my 4th - for the author showing the humanity and uncertantiy ("why must i die?"(its a mystery of YHWH's)) of the person Jesus. and so i can relate to him personally as a man like me with fears/etc.
thanks for reply.
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I'd still love to know your top 3-4 and why so.