tbanks for reply, and agree with all if it. my identity personally is - i strive to be a good man, and value others this the same mantra - regarless of there Faith/lack of.....my Atheism did not define me when i as 12 anymore that it does today. I value moral conduct, its that simple. if you are an athiest dick you dick size - length and circumperence is the same as if you are a Christian or Muslim dick - in my book.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:23 am
Well, why take a position on it, then?like guns gays and abortion babies the subject of "does God exist or not" literally bores me.
That's certainly a different picture than I would have of our situation. Though we might be immeasurably less than God, we are not "ants." The Christian view is that despite our distance, we are objects of the interest and affection of the Divine.I'm an ant, my nature is too low to "know God nature or even if he exists" - i do not fixate upon matters beyond my knowing. I assume he does not in this life via conventional empricsm, if in the next life i find myself wrong (GREAT! - I never like being an Athiest - its a negation of an aferlife (though an afterlife buring in hell forever offers no more appeal than my Athiest - less maybe even).
So that's quite different.
I'll leave my soul's fate up to your God
It's interesting how close that is, in some ways, to what He asks us to do. Not to think we can earn our way to Him, but rather to give up on all that, and say, to quote the words of Jesus in the Parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector, "God be merciful to me, the sinner."
This is the old debate, of course: is "Atheism" a denial of the existence of God, or merely a form of agnosticism, the more open-minded admission of not knowing.oh, thanks for reply to my iquary, i do not see my athiesm as closeminded mayself.
Well, Mr. Hitchens was a great rhetorician and stylist, but I agree that the arguments he offered were not very good ones. Mr. Dawkins, I think, lacks Hitchens' style, and his arguments aren't any better.I think both Darkins and Hitchens are/were hacks - don't respect either personally. neither are "Thinkers" just celebrities.
But what can one expect from somebody who made up his mind at 17?
Chris Hitchens is the dead one? yes? (cancer is a bad thing - sorry the guy dead - have nothing against the man - just thought he offered little wisdom in his views (no sure if he was married or had kids. if so - sad for them - never knowing him personally no clue if he was a good man nor not) - his brother Steve? "historian, is still alive and WRT to what he says about history, seems even less informed than his brother!
A nit IMO.
thanks for reply though, you have a mind and are civll - you and i showed each other civility - and i really do want to "Talk about your top 3/4 books of the bible" - and why you value then. so to discuss.