Sentenced to Death for Blasphemy - Why?

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Sentenced to Death for Blasphemy - Why?

Post by Veritas Aequitas » Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:51 am

Junaid Hafeez: Academic sentenced to death for blasphemy in Pakistan
A university lecturer in Pakistan has been sentenced to death for blasphemy.
Junaid Hafeez, 33, was arrested in March 2013 and accused of posting derogatory comments about the Prophet Muhammad on social media.

Mr Hafeez's first lawyer, Rashid Rehman, was shot dead in 2014 after agreeing to take on the case.

Prosecution lawyers, meanwhile, distributed sweets to their colleagues, who chanted "Allahu akbar" and "death to blasphemers".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50878432
Amnesty International said the verdict was "a gross miscarriage of justice" and described it as "extremely disappointing and surprising".
It is so barbaric to kill someone for merely present critiques to a certain views.

What are the root causes for the above?
Notable, what is the psychology behind such terrible urge to silence the view of others with death?

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Re: Sentenced to Death for Blasphemy - Why?

Post by surreptitious57 » Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:09 am

The psychology behind this is not confined to any particular demographic because it is fundamentally human
It occurs when the masses through self righteousness and moral superiority judge those who think differently
There is a lesser element too of fear operating because of the consequences of not going with the status quo

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Re: Sentenced to Death for Blasphemy - Why?

Post by Age » Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:58 am

Because a law was broken.

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Re: Sentenced to Death for Blasphemy - Why?

Post by nothing » Fri Dec 27, 2019 4:21 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:09 am
The psychology behind this is not confined to any particular demographic because it is fundamentally human
It occurs when the masses through self righteousness and moral superiority judge those who think differently
There is a lesser element too of fear operating because of the consequences of not going with the status quo
The psychology behind it is due to idol worship: any undermining of the worshiped/revered status of Muhammad (a dead man) being met with execution is not "fundamentally human", it is fundamentally idolatrous. Spilling blood over a dead man is arguably far removed from "human" - it is closer to animal.
Age wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:58 am
Because a law was broken.
An animal law, perhaps.

Do you bear the shahada testimony?

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Re: Sentenced to Death for Blasphemy - Why?

Post by Immanuel Can » Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:55 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:09 am
The psychology behind this is not confined to any particular demographic...
That so?

Well, if you criticize religion in a Christian country, you're likely to get a really stern talking-to. Maybe somebody will write a magazine article calling you "not nice." Perhaps somebody will say something uncharitable about you on TV. But you can even make a movie like "The Last Temptation" or "Life of Brian," and you might get a few protesters outside with signs written in really big letters -- at worst -- and will still be allowed to show your film as much as you want, then put it on Netflix. Meanwhile, you'll enjoy the free publicity.

But go to Pakistan or Saudi, and say one word that even sounds uncomplimentary to Mohammed, and you'll be under a pile of rocks faster than you can say "Jihad."

So who are you kidding?

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Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:25 pm

Why does the US want to do the same thing to Julian Assange?
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Re: Sentenced to Death for Blasphemy - Why?

Post by uwot » Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:25 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:51 am
Notable, what is the psychology behind such terrible urge to silence the view of others with death?
No idea, but you might get an insight by asking one of the Christians on this sight who believe that a 'good' god will sentence a blasphemer to eternal torture.

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Re: Sentenced to Death for Blasphemy - Why?

Post by surreptitious57 » Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:53 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
The psychology behind this is not confined to any particular demographic because it is fundamentally human
It occurs when the masses through self righteousness and moral superiority judge those who think differently
There is a lesser element too of fear operating because of the consequences of not going with the status quo
This has existed since the beginning of civilisation and history is loaded with examples of it and there are far too many to mention here
But it applies to any regime whether it be political or religious where freedom of self expression was not a priority but conformity was

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Re: Sentenced to Death for Blasphemy - Why?

Post by Immanuel Can » Fri Dec 27, 2019 11:04 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:53 pm
... it applies to any regime whether it be political or religious where freedom of self expression was not a priority but conformity was
Communism is by far the biggest example of this. The Nazis weren't far behind, and in total, Socialism (of either kind) has proved to be far-and-away the most homicidal creed in history, dwarfing the contributions of all religions combined, and doing so by exponential levels.

So it all argues for free speech, and for non-conformity, and for the avoidance of enforced secularism.

Sounds good to me.

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Re: Sentenced to Death for Blasphemy - Why?

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Fri Dec 27, 2019 11:55 pm

Typical moronic response of a do-gooding kristian counsellor type.

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Re: Sentenced to Death for Blasphemy - Why?

Post by Age » Sat Dec 28, 2019 1:57 am

nothing wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 4:21 pm
surreptitious57 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:09 am
The psychology behind this is not confined to any particular demographic because it is fundamentally human
It occurs when the masses through self righteousness and moral superiority judge those who think differently
There is a lesser element too of fear operating because of the consequences of not going with the status quo
The psychology behind it is due to idol worship: any undermining of the worshiped/revered status of Muhammad (a dead man) being met with execution is not "fundamentally human", it is fundamentally idolatrous. Spilling blood over a dead man is arguably far removed from "human" - it is closer to animal.
Age wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:58 am
Because a law was broken.
An animal law, perhaps.
Yes it is just one of the other countless human animal laws, which exist in all human populated countries.
nothing wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 4:21 pm
Do you bear the shahada testimony?
I do not even know what the question is asking.

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Re: Sentenced to Death for Blasphemy - Why?

Post by Age » Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:02 am

Immanuel Can wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 7:55 pm
surreptitious57 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 8:09 am
The psychology behind this is not confined to any particular demographic...
That so?

Well, if you criticize religion in a Christian country, you're likely to get a really stern talking-to. Maybe somebody will write a magazine article calling you "not nice." Perhaps somebody will say something uncharitable about you on TV. But you can even make a movie like "The Last Temptation" or "Life of Brian," and you might get a few protesters outside with signs written in really big letters -- at worst -- and will still be allowed to show your film as much as you want, then put it on Netflix. Meanwhile, you'll enjoy the free publicity.

But go to Pakistan or Saudi, and say one word that even sounds uncomplimentary to Mohammed, and you'll be under a pile of rocks faster than you can say "Jihad."

So who are you kidding?
The reason we are allowed to mock and ridicule christianity is because just about everyone knows just how obviously ridiculous, stupid, absurd, hypocritical, and contradictory christian teachings are.

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Re: Sentenced to Death for Blasphemy - Why?

Post by Veritas Aequitas » Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:59 am

Immanuel Can wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 11:04 pm
surreptitious57 wrote:
Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:53 pm
... it applies to any regime whether it be political or religious where freedom of self expression was not a priority but conformity was
Communism is by far the biggest example of this. The Nazis weren't far behind, and in total, Socialism (of either kind) has proved to be far-and-away the most homicidal creed in history, dwarfing the contributions of all religions combined, and doing so by exponential levels.

So it all argues for free speech, and for non-conformity, and for the avoidance of enforced secularism.

Sounds good to me.
  • blasphemy
    impious utterance or action concerning God or sacred things.
Generally blasphemy is related to God and thus in this Philosophy of Religion.

Killing for expressing opposing views in politics is very common, but that is politics, not religion. This is often labelled as dissent, subversive, seditious, treasonous, insults to the rulers, etc.

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Re: Sentenced to Death for Blasphemy - Why?

Post by Veritas Aequitas » Sat Dec 28, 2019 6:14 am

My main concern with this "Sentenced to Death for Blasphemy" is the reflection of the terrible evil and violent force inherent within SOME theists which is catalyzed by evil laden verses within the holy texts of the respective religions [especially Islam].

I define 'evil' as the inherent impulse to commit acts that are net-negative to the individual, the group and humanity.

I would rate the "Sentenced to Death for Blasphemy" as 90-95% evilness triggered via theistic religions.
What is more worrisome is other than these 90-95% evilness there exist a range of 1-19% and 20-89% evilness pulsing within theistic religions and theists.
These range from rapes, murder, violence, aggression, suppression of non-believers.

These evil potential exists in a certain percentile [guess 20%] of Muslims, i.e. a pool of 360 evil prone Muslims around the world.

While the majority of Muslims are considered moderates, humanity must recognize the dangers of the evil laden religion of Islam influencing these evil prone Muslims [pool of 360 million] to war against and kill non-Muslims.

The problem is the majority of non-Muslims are very ignorant of the truth of the above potential threats or pretend the above threat do not exists.

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Re: Sentenced to Death for Blasphemy - Why?

Post by Age » Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:10 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 6:14 am
My main concern with this "Sentenced to Death for Blasphemy" is the reflection of the terrible evil and violent force inherent within SOME theists which is catalyzed by evil laden verses within the holy texts of the respective religions [especially Islam].

I define 'evil' as the inherent impulse to commit acts that are net-negative to the individual, the group and humanity.

I would rate the "Sentenced to Death for Blasphemy" as 90-95% evilness triggered via theistic religions.
What is more worrisome is other than these 90-95% evilness there exist a range of 1-19% and 20-89% evilness pulsing within theistic religions and theists.
These range from rapes, murder, violence, aggression, suppression of non-believers.

These evil potential exists in a certain percentile [guess 20%] of Muslims, i.e. a pool of 360 evil prone Muslims around the world.

While the majority of Muslims are considered moderates, humanity must recognize the dangers of the evil laden religion of Islam influencing these evil prone Muslims [pool of 360 million] to war against and kill non-Muslims.

The problem is the majority of non-Muslims are very ignorant of the truth of the above potential threats or pretend the above threat do not exists.
There is NO need to pretend.

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