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Religious Interpretations.

Post by Dontaskme » Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:14 am

Any reinterpretation of the Bible or the Koran is merely a rehashing of ancient myths and fables.
Regarding the human condition, one can find as much truth in Grimms Fairytales of Mother Goose.

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Re: Religious Interpretations.

Post by Age » Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:30 am

How do you separate myths and fables from facts and truths?

How do you know if your reinterpretations of the Bible or the Koran are not merely just a rehashing of ancient myths and fables as well?

Also, regarding the human condition, one can find as much truth in Grimms Fairytales of Mother Goose relative to what exactly?

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Re: Religious Interpretations.

Post by Veritas Aequitas » Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:53 am

Dontaskme wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:14 am
Any reinterpretation of the Bible or the Koran is merely a rehashing of ancient myths and fables.
Regarding the human condition, one can find as much truth in Grimms Fairy tales of Mother Goose.
You are talking nonsense as usual.

The Bible and Quran are the core texts of their respective ideology, just like the Main Kempf is the core texts of Nazism.

What is critical is whether the believers of the Bible [OT or NT] and Quran accept and practice whatever are stated and commanded in those texts regardless of whether they are ancient myths and fables to you.

The critical concern is whether the believers of those ideologies will obey the commands of the authority within those texts to kill you and others as a non-believer.
You will not be able to stop a jihadist who is about to cut off your head, that his beliefs is based on myths and fables.

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Re: Religious Interpretations.

Post by Dontaskme » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:03 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:53 am
Dontaskme wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:14 am
Any reinterpretation of the Bible or the Koran is merely a rehashing of ancient myths and fables.
Regarding the human condition, one can find as much truth in Grimms Fairy tales of Mother Goose.
You are talking nonsense as usual.
Thank you for the compliment.
In order for the sense of self to experience "stark naked reality" it would have to by-pass the electo-chemical interface within the brain and the self-referential conceptual overlay through which all perceptual data must pass.
The only thing that it will ever be able to see is it's own objective reality.
Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:53 am
The Bible and Quran are the core texts of their respective ideology, just like the Main Kempf is the core texts of Nazism.
Core ideologies are mentally created ideas believed to be real, apparent stories here today, gone tomorrow. The mind archives every story away for future reference, stored in memory or written text aka nothing more than deluded fictions that the mind uses to create an artifical autonomous false identity with. ( aka a fictional character) Memory is the only available source of being for the mind. Without the mind as this projection screen, nothing ever happened.

The false belief in imaginary gods removes the hope of living beyond delusion.
If one believes that they already know the answers to life, the door to an open awareness is closed and locked.One is bound tightly in the cocoon of a fairy tale.Delusional beliefs benefit no one.

Is there a reality without delusion?
No delusion, no reality.
For the sense of self there is no reality beyond it's delusional dream of separation.
Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:53 am
What is critical is whether the believers of the Bible [OT or NT] and Quran accept and practice whatever are stated and commanded in those texts regardless of whether they are ancient myths and fables to you.
There is no believer, all beliefs arise and fall in nothing.
Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:53 am
The critical concern is whether the believers of those ideologies will obey the commands of the authority within those texts to kill you and others as a non-believer.
Belief in authorities is within the dream of separation where I exist in time and space duality, which is a fictional delusion believed to be real.

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Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:53 am
You will not be able to stop a jihadist who is about to cut off your head, that his beliefs is based on myths and fables.
I know what you mean, it really sucks doesn't it, when someone cuts off your head. Not that this event would greatly impact the severed head as to cause suffering, since it wouldn't be around anymore to suffer. That's the good news for the one who has had it's head cut off, for that one doesn't have to endure the delusion of being anymore.

Animals are tortured and killed all the time, not only by humans but by other animals, they are a food source that life depends on for it's continuity. It's a brutal ugly existence, nothing more than a meat grinding machine, life feeding off of itself in a continuous cycle for no reason than to live, ironically, dying to live.

Humans torture and kill other things, it's their cannibalistic nature, if it were not their nature, we'd all be vegans.
Also, humans enjoy and like the torturous cannibalistic brutal nature that is their apparent life, it's one pleasurable part of the movie, if they didn't like it, they would stop reproducing more of themselves knowing they would have to endure the same events. There is no victim without a perpetrator. No perpetrator without a victim. There is no God to stop all this crazy madness, and so the onus is on the humans, as they are the only ones that are in THE KNOW about what's happening here. So they are the only ones who can stop it. The fact is clear, they don't want to stop it, because we like it, we like having our heads chopped off, and we like chopping of the heads of turkeys at christmas, we like doing that too for the same reason, because we like eating and killing ourselves, it's pleasurable and fun and entertaining for us.

That's the only real argument here.Nobody ever argues the argument they always argue the arguer. Albeit illusory.

REALITY CHECK: > > Consumption. Reproduction. Addiction. Population.
Consumption. Reproduction. Addiction. Over-Population

Consumption, reproduction, cannibalism and pain.The need that doesn't need to exist.

Who you gonna call?

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Re: Religious Interpretations.

Post by Dontaskme » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:23 am

Age wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:30 am
How do you separate myths and fables from facts and truths?
All ''words'' are concepts. The apparent split between a non-conceptual reality and conceptual is an illusion. The ''looked upon'' is the ''looker'' in the same exact instant. There is no split or separation HERE/there.

Know that in the truest sense....I am not responding to you at all.
I respond to the mind ripples that arise in our apparent interchange.You are doing the same. You are responding to an internal projected external, nothing more than a holographic projection of the mind appearing to be outside itself.

The "what are we" game is over... the real game of figuring out what to do about it needs to begin. Let the real philosophy begin.

It is impossible to be what you perceive. The very act of perceiving necessitates a perceiver and the percieved, and the percieved can't be what's percieving. You are the perceiving.


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Re: Religious Interpretations.

Post by HexHammer » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:28 am

Age wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:30 am
How do you separate myths and fables from facts and truths?

How do you know if your reinterpretations of the Bible or the Koran are not merely just a rehashing of ancient myths and fables as well?

Also, regarding the human condition, one can find as much truth in Grimms Fairytales of Mother Goose relative to what exactly?
Ancient prophets had to prove themselves else they died by stoning, so their prophecies are true with ca 80% accuracy.

There are no prophecies in Grimm's fairy tales.

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Re: Religious Interpretations.

Post by Age » Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:30 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:23 am
Age wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:30 am
How do you separate myths and fables from facts and truths?
All ''words'' are concepts. The apparent split between a non-conceptual reality and conceptual is an illusion. The ''looked upon'' is the ''looker'' in the same exact instant. There is no split or separation HERE/there.

Know that in the truest sense....I am not responding to you at all.
I respond to the mind ripples that arise in our apparent interchange.You are doing the same. You are responding to an internal projected external, nothing more than a holographic projection of the mind appearing to be outside itself.

The "what are we" game is over... the real game of figuring out what to do about it needs to begin. Let the real philosophy begin.

It is impossible to be what you perceive. The very act of perceiving necessitates a perceiver and the percieved, and the percieved can't be what's percieving. You are the perceiving.


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All of this repetition is already known, the 'what to do about this' is also already known. But, if any reinterpretation of the bible or the koran is merely a rehashing of ancient myths and fables, as the perceiving says it is, then I am still curious as to what the perceiving says about; How it separates myths and fables from facts and truths?

Also, how does the perceiving KNOW that the reinterpretation of the bible and koran is just merely the rehashing of ancient myths and fables?

How does a perceiver know that the statement; "The reinterpretation of the bible and the koran is merely the rehashing of ancient myths and fables", is not just a rehashing of ancient myths and fables itself?

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Re: Religious Interpretations.

Post by Dontaskme » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:53 am

Age wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:30 pm
Dontaskme wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:23 am
Age wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:30 am
How do you separate myths and fables from facts and truths?
All ''words'' are concepts. The apparent split between a non-conceptual reality and conceptual is an illusion. The ''looked upon'' is the ''looker'' in the same exact instant. There is no split or separation HERE/there.

Know that in the truest sense....I am not responding to you at all.
I respond to the mind ripples that arise in our apparent interchange.You are doing the same. You are responding to an internal projected external, nothing more than a holographic projection of the mind appearing to be outside itself.

The "what are we" game is over... the real game of figuring out what to do about it needs to begin. Let the real philosophy begin.

It is impossible to be what you perceive. The very act of perceiving necessitates a perceiver and the percieved, and the percieved can't be what's percieving. You are the perceiving.


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All of this repetition is already known, the 'what to do about this' is also already known. But, if any reinterpretation of the bible or the koran is merely a rehashing of ancient myths and fables, as the perceiving says it is, then I am still curious as to what the perceiving says about; How it separates myths and fables from facts and truths?
According to popular religious belief. The Bible and the Koran is the word of God. (including all other books of religious text)
Therefore, all religious texts are God's wisdom, truth, and knowledge ONLY.
Therefore, the ONE reading the text must also be the WRITER of the text. ALL Religious Text is God talking to him/herself.
So how and why would ONENESS talk to itself? .. Answer: By reinterpreting what it already KNOWS from MEMORY.
MEMORY RECALL appears as a rehashed story appearing real in the PRESENT, even though it's already PAST TENSE.
Notice nothing can be known NOW until it's already happened, so that which has already happened, aka recorded, is nothing more than a fable appearing as if real now.
Age wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:30 pm
Also, how does the perceiving KNOW that the reinterpretation of the bible and koran is just merely the rehashing of ancient myths and fables?

How does a perceiver know that the statement; "The reinterpretation of the bible and the koran is merely the rehashing of ancient myths and fables", is not just a rehashing of ancient myths and fables itself?
Any claimed knowledge is a myth. Claimed knowledge is A rehash of what's already KNOWN by God. To claim I know is a myth.
Real Knowing is instantaneously NOW - absent of any claimer.

God is this immediate not-knowning knowing in the instantaneous now - one with the knowing. One without a second.. This Knowing can only be now, in this instant, instantaneously knowing itself as this immediate present perceiving which cannot be perceived or KNOWN AGAIN. For what is perceived is the perceiver ONE

Knowing again is just a copy. It's a rehashed version of the original knowing. It's a fable/myth.

Claimed knowledge is plagiarism. That's why knowledge can only INFORM the illusory nature of reality as a dream/fable/myth.

Original knowing has no copyright. It's SELF owned.

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Re: Religious Interpretations.

Post by Age » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:46 am

Dontaskme wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:53 am
Age wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:30 pm
Dontaskme wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:23 am


All ''words'' are concepts. The apparent split between a non-conceptual reality and conceptual is an illusion. The ''looked upon'' is the ''looker'' in the same exact instant. There is no split or separation HERE/there.

Know that in the truest sense....I am not responding to you at all.
I respond to the mind ripples that arise in our apparent interchange.You are doing the same. You are responding to an internal projected external, nothing more than a holographic projection of the mind appearing to be outside itself.

The "what are we" game is over... the real game of figuring out what to do about it needs to begin. Let the real philosophy begin.

It is impossible to be what you perceive. The very act of perceiving necessitates a perceiver and the percieved, and the percieved can't be what's percieving. You are the perceiving.


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All of this repetition is already known, the 'what to do about this' is also already known. But, if any reinterpretation of the bible or the koran is merely a rehashing of ancient myths and fables, as the perceiving says it is, then I am still curious as to what the perceiving says about; How it separates myths and fables from facts and truths?
According to popular religious belief. The Bible and the Koran is the word of God. (including all other books of religious text)
Therefore, all religious texts are God's wisdom, truth, and knowledge ONLY.
Therefore, the ONE reading the text must also be the WRITER of the text. ALL Religious Text is God talking to him/herself.
So how and why would ONENESS talk to itself? .. Answer: By reinterpreting what it already KNOWS from MEMORY.
MEMORY RECALL appears as a rehashed story appearing real in the PRESENT, even though it's already PAST TENSE.
Notice nothing can be known NOW until it's already happened, so that which has already happened, aka recorded, is nothing more than a fable appearing as if real now.
Age wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:30 pm
Also, how does the perceiving KNOW that the reinterpretation of the bible and koran is just merely the rehashing of ancient myths and fables?

How does a perceiver know that the statement; "The reinterpretation of the bible and the koran is merely the rehashing of ancient myths and fables", is not just a rehashing of ancient myths and fables itself?
Any claimed knowledge is a myth. Claimed knowledge is A rehash of what's already KNOWN by God. To claim I know is a myth.
Real Knowing is instantaneously NOW - absent of any claimer.

God is this immediate not-knowning knowing in the instantaneous now - one with the knowing. One without a second.. This Knowing can only be now, in this instant, instantaneously knowing itself as this immediate present perceiving which cannot be perceived or KNOWN AGAIN. For what is perceived is the perceiver ONE

Knowing again is just a copy. It's a rehashed version of the original knowing. It's a fable/myth.

Claimed knowledge is plagiarism. That's why knowledge can only INFORM the illusory nature of reality as a dream/fable/myth.

Original knowing has no copyright. It's SELF owned.

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Yes what is being said here is already known. But, my point was,, is the claimed knowledge, "Any claimed knowledge is a myth" also a myth?

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Re: Religious Interpretations.

Post by Dontaskme » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:20 am

Age wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:46 am

Yes what is being said here is already known. But, my point was,, is the claimed knowledge, "Any claimed knowledge is a myth" also a myth?
Yes.

To know you know knowledge is a myth... including this statement. The ''person'' apparently claiming to know it knows knowledge is a myth, is also mythical knowledge.

There is no known knower, the knower arises in the exact same instant of actual ''knowing'' .. there is no division between the knower and the known. Knower and Known is ONE, aka no thing.

''Things'' ARE known by no thing, therefore the KNOWN know no thing/nothing.

No thing is synonymous with myth.

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Re: Religious Interpretations.

Post by Age » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:08 am

Dontaskme wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:20 am
Age wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:46 am

Yes what is being said here is already known. But, my point was,, is the claimed knowledge, "Any claimed knowledge is a myth" also a myth?
Yes.

To know you know knowledge is a myth... including this statement. The ''person'' apparently claiming to know it knows knowledge is a myth, is also mythical knowledge.

There is no known knower, the knower arises in the exact same instant of actual ''knowing'' .. there is no division between the knower and the known. Knower and Known is ONE, aka no thing.

''Things'' ARE known by no thing, therefore the KNOWN know no thing/nothing.

No thing is synonymous with myth.
And according to 'you', "dontaskme", knowledge too is also synonymous with.

Also, there is A known Knower.

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Re: Religious Interpretations.

Post by Dontaskme » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:40 am

Age wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:08 am

And according to 'you', "dontaskme", knowledge too is also synonymous with.

Also, there is A known Knower.
There is no known knower. Knower and known are ONE aka no one. No one knows. That's the meaning of myth. Please try to understand this Age.

Myths are man-made rationalisations of our existence, religions apologise for the act of a suffering creation. We do not understand why we exist so we have invented mythical stories in the form of religious myth and magic just to justify our existence. In these stories God is glorified and man is made the guilty party for the way things are. But that conclusion is nonsense, because we had no choice about being here. But now WE KNOW we are here, we do have a choice. Religion apologises for creation and does not put God on the hook for the situation we are in, instead religion blames us.

All religions are deluded deceptions to pacify and keep us from the obvious pain that is sentient suffering not just for humans but animals too. This carnage will never end as long as there is life. The bottom line is that we shouldn't exist, we are conscious self aware beings in a material plane of much suffering. It's gross to want it to continue. But continue it will as long as we love to play God, because with God, is the promise of heaven to end all suffering, and in order to get to heaven you have to pass through hell.
It's all a big fat LIE.


ALL MYTHICAL NONSENSE.

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Re: Religious Interpretations.

Post by Age » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:54 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:40 am
Age wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:08 am

And according to 'you', "dontaskme", knowledge too is also synonymous with.

Also, there is A known Knower.
There is no known knower. Knower and known are ONE aka no one. No one knows. That's the meaning of myth. Please try to understand this Age.
But, to me, there is a known Knower. Is this understood to that one known as "dontaskme"?
Dontaskme wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:40 am
Myths are man-made rationalisations of our existence, religions apologise for the act of a suffering creation. We do not understand why we exist.
You may not know why 'you' exist, but I know exactly why 'I' (and why 'you') exist.
Dontaskme wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:40 am
so we have invented mythical stories in the form of religious myth and magic just to justify our existence.
You may have done that but I certainly have NOT.
Dontaskme wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:40 am
In these stories God is glorified and man is made the guilty party for the way things are. But that conclusion is nonsense, because we had no choice about being here. But now WE KNOW we are here, we do have a choice. Religion apologises for creation and does not put God on the hook for the situation we are in, instead religion blames us.

All religions are deluded deceptions to pacify and keep us from the obvious pain that is sentient suffering not just for humans but animals too. This carnage will never end as long as there is life. The bottom line is that we shouldn't exist, we are conscious self aware beings in a material plane of much suffering. It's gross to want it to continue. But continue it will as long as we love to play God, because with God, is the promise of heaven to end all suffering, and in order to get to heaven you have to pass through hell.
It's all a big fat LIE.
Besides the myth that you are a self aware being, the rest sounds fairly on the mark.

Dontaskme wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:40 am
ALL MYTHICAL NONSENSE.

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If you believe so, then it MUST BE correct?

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Re: Religious Interpretations.

Post by nothing » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:58 pm

Any reinterpretation of the Bible or the Koran is merely a rehashing of ancient myths and fables.
Regarding the human condition, one can find as much truth in Grimms Fairytales of Mother Goose.
Despite this,
due to a general familiarity with such myths/fables, and
due to the human condition being better known since,
using such old myths/fables to "frame" the problem
could allow people with such familiarity (of those myths)
to draw from them when understanding the human condition
through the lens of modern-day 21C understanding (instead of 1/7C).
Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:53 am
You are talking nonsense as usual.

The Bible and Quran are the core texts of their respective ideology, just like the Main Kempf is the core texts of Nazism.
Male central figure orator military leader who amassed 'state' political power via oration, weaponized the 'state' against his political adversaries, expanded militarily while signing/breaking peace treaties and subsequently used the power of the 'state' to manufacture a human genocide machine.

Muhammad viz. the Qur'an or Hitler viz. Mein Kempf?
Take your pick: Islam is Nazism.
Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:53 am
What is critical is whether the believers...
Satan would require belief-in-and-of-itself
in order for any believer to believer:
i. belief-in-and-of-itself is a virtue, rather than a liability
ii. evil is good (without the need to define them as per Genesis 2:17)
iii. satan is god

just pointing that out so you know what the "unbelievers" are up against: "believers" who "believe" a polygamous pedophile man is the greatest example for all of humanity.

Did I mention it takes a believer to believe evil is good?
Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:53 am
of the Bible [OT or NT] and Quran accept and practice whatever are stated and commanded in those texts regardless of whether they are ancient myths and fables to you.

The critical concern is whether the believers of those ideologies will obey the commands of the authority within those texts to kill you and others as a non-believer.
You will not be able to stop a jihadist who is about to cut off your head, that his beliefs is based on myths and fables.
If they knew that any possible all-knowing god would certainly know that
it takes any believer to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good
in order to believe to know them while being dead wrong.
GENESIS 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
+2 (any/all) <-*Creation
-1 KNOW <-* TREE OF LIVING FOREVER
0 I AM (willing to...) <-*any being with equal capacity for so-called good/evil (+/-)
+1 BELIEVE <-* TREE OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL
-2 *not to* <-* Destruction
____________________________________________________________________
0 - 1 + 2 - 2 + 1 = 0 I am willing to KNOW, any/all *not to* BELIEVE (I am...) <-*tends towards any/all possible all-knowing (god)
0 + 1 - 2 + 2 - 1 = 0 I am willing to BELIEVE, *not to* any/all KNOW (I am...) <-*any/all belief-based ignorance -> evil is good (confusion)

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Re: Religious Interpretations.

Post by Veritas Aequitas » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:25 am

nothing wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:58 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:53 am
You are talking nonsense as usual.

The Bible and Quran are the core texts of their respective ideology, just like the Main Kempf is the core texts of Nazism.
Male central figure orator military leader who amassed 'state' political power via oration, weaponized the 'state' against his political adversaries, expanded militarily while signing/breaking peace treaties and subsequently used the power of the 'state' to manufacture a human genocide machine.

Muhammad viz. the Qur'an or Hitler viz. Mein Kempf?
Take your pick: Islam is Nazism.
Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:53 am
What is critical is whether the believers...
Satan would require belief-in-and-of-itself
in order for any believer to believer:
i. belief-in-and-of-itself is a virtue, rather than a liability
ii. evil is good (without the need to define them as per Genesis 2:17)
iii. satan is god

just pointing that out so you know what the "unbelievers" are up against: "believers" who "believe" a polygamous pedophile man is the greatest example for all of humanity.

Did I mention it takes a believer to believe evil is good?
It is true with the ideology of Islam [evidence available],
what is 'good' within the ideology inspire acts that are 'evil' consequences for non-Muslims.
This is so evident.
It is like what is good for Nazism [& allies] is 'evil' for non-Nazis.

The OT is loaded with evil elements, but the NT has its cons but is overall a pacifist ideology, i.e. 'love all - even enemies.'

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