Is the Hadith an Authoritative Text in Islam?

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Is the Hadith an Authoritative Text in Islam?

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Often when I discussed Islam I always refer to the Quran [6236 verses] as the sole and ultimate authoritative text of Islam.

Somehow someone will insist I am ignorant of Islam when I do not take into account the Ahadith [pl.] and/or the Sira.
  • Ḥadīth (pl. Aḥādīth,) in Islam refers to the record of the words, actions, and the silent approval of the Islamic prophet Muhammad.
    -wiki
My view is, wherever the hadith is relied upon, the elements therein must aligned with the doctrines within the Quran, i.e. the direct words of Allah.

Some may think if I exclude the whole Ahadith, it may weakened my arguments related to Islam.
That is not the case, in fact, if Muslims and their apologists were to insist the Ahadith is an authoritative text of Islam it would only weaken their own arguments. Not only that, the Ahadith is full of sayings of Muhammad that are real bad embarrassment to Islam itself and Muslims.

This is why some Muslims who are really embarrassed by the Ahadith simply abandon the Ahadith and rely solely on the Quran as their authoritative text of Islam.
These are the Quranists, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quranism

In addition the two main sects of Islam, i.e. the Sunni and Shia has their respective Ahadith. So whose Ahadith is the true one?

There are loads of embarrassing sayings of Muhammad and more terrible evil and violent elements in the Ahadith.

My point;
The Quran [6236 verses] is the sole and ultimate authoritative text of Islam which represent the direct words of Allah delivered to Muhammad via angel Gabriel between the period 610 to 632 AD.

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Re: Is the Hadith an Authoritative Text in Islam?

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There are loads of embarrassing stuff in the Ahadith.
Here is one re the 'Adult Suckling Hadith'.
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Adult_Suckling
  • In Islamic societies gender segregation is a common practice to avoid any form of adultery. Thus men and women are not advised to stay in the same room if they are alone, and any adult woman is required to wear a veil in public.

    [There may be a problem] if there is a small company employing a man and two women there maybe nothing wrong if they all work in the same room. However, if one of the two women happen to not show up for work (e.g, due to sickness) the remaining pair [a man and a woman] cannot work together any more.
So how can the above dilemma be resolved?
  • The Fatwa of an Al-Azhar scholar
    Here is where the head of the Hadith Department in Al-Azhar University, Dr. Izzat Atiyya comes into play. Its worth noting, that the Al-Azhar University in Cairo is considered to be the world´s most renowned Islamic university by all Sunni Muslims.

    Only a few months ago, Dr. Atiyya published a fatwa. According to this verdict the Islamic rules of gender segregation and veiling can be circumvented if a woman suckles a man. Alternatively, a man can also be breast-fed by a sister or the mother of a woman.

    The idea behind this ruling is that there is no law for adoption in many Islamic societies. However, a mother-son-relationship can be established by breast-feeding.

    According to this interview [with Dr. Atiyya] it was the prophet himself who confirmed that a man and a woman are allowed to be together in private if the man had been previously breastfed by the woman.
The text in question
Here is a part of the text [from Ahadith] Dr. Atiyya referred to in an English translation:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hadhaifa, lived with him and his family in their house. She (i. e. the daughter of Suhail came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and said: Salim has attained (puberty) as men attain, and he understands what they understand, and he enters our house freely, I, however, perceive that something (rankles) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said to her: Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his heart will disappear. She returned and said: So I suckled him, and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared.
Sahih Muslim 8:3425
  • Dr. Atiyya repeatedly declared that the sources he quoted belonged to the Islamic holy texts with the highest possible authority. According to him no less than 90,000 contemporary scholars confirmed that the hadith referred to is authentic.
As from the above, those Muslims who seriously and religiously accept the Ahadith as an authoritative texts of Islam [that guarantee their eternal life in paradise], they would allow their wives to be suckled by strangers if the circumstances required them [the wife] to be together alone with another man for works [colleague, business partner, boss] or various unavoidable circumstances.

I am not sure if this had been practiced in reality. It is likely the zealous ones may practice it, otherwise if they don't comply with Muhammad's saying, they could end up in Hell. The threat of hell upon non-compliance will likely to loosen whatever inhibitions they have.
I will research on whether there are reports this had happened or is still being practiced in modern times.

As we can see, the above hadith which is certified as authentic is really an embarrassment to Islam itself.

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Re: Is the Hadith an Authoritative Text in Islam?

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My view is as follows.

The Qur'an contains a rasm-text (ie. base layer) which was Syriac (not Arabic) Christian (not Islamic) strophic hymns. From this, it becomes a cocktail of Jewish lore, Christian apocrypha, Zoroastrianism and recycled Persian "miracle" accounts such as flying up into the heavens.

Point being: the Qur'an itself is a bloody mess. The Hadith are the 'political' element(s) of Islam that focus on (what is effectively the 'idol' of Islam) Muhammad, and how he dealt with social/military situations, which are used as precedent in/for Islam. Obviously, Muhammad was a warlord who turned women into a spoil to be used as incentive for his jihad of Allah (his own cause). Therefor, Islam is by default hostile to any/all non-Muslims state(s) and the Hadith are used as a military step-by-step to slowly convert non-Muslim nations to Islamic ones. It is done passively, but is always active. This is how they fight their jihad: slowly invade, in-camp, take-over from within via weaponization of state, creation of poverty, and rise of socialist leaders to wage war against... non-Muslims. It's being attempted again globally now. Hitler is a product of Islam: they intentionally manufacture such people to imitate Muhammad viz. committing organized genocide. Both Muhammad and Hitler are the same archetype.

So the answer is: effectively yes esp. towards the ends of politics and warfare. None of that is in the "public" Qur'an: the Hadith and Sunnah are considered a part of the 'body' of Islam, but the latter two are in-house.
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Re: Is the Hadith an Authoritative Text in Islam?

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The hadiths are told by the devil, that's why Jesus son of Mary will abolish religion when he returns, even the hadiths themselves prophecies this.

- no one will visit the Kaaba.
- Jesus son of Mary will break the cross.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjxywR9Unz4
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To me, this is leading to living in eternal peace.
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Re: Is the Hadith an Authoritative Text in Islam?

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Of course it's a load of crap, and so is the babble and every other religious book. Why do you have to keep writing thread after thread about the SAME THING??!
Obsessed little twerp.
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