Is that "true"? Or is it only "true for you"?
If it's absolutely true, then it's false...because you said all truth is relative. But if it's only "relative" truth, then it's not true for anyone else. It's just true for you, which means false to everyone else.
You can't win by playing relativism. Epistemic relativism is logically self-defeating. QED.
So....wait a minute.
You "agree" that "truth" is only your personal delusion? Because that's what I said. You want to argue that you are self-deluded?
What quotation do you think you're referring to, there?Truth is within all of us, as jesus reminded us.
However, you're not doing it. Instead, you're shielding your views from reason, by claiming truth is relative. In that way, you're exempting yourself from the standards that philosophy uses in order to do its work. So that's not philosophy at all.But I can do philosophy, and so can you. That's what this forum is all about, it's about doing philosophy.
Sorry, you're missing the point completely. I'm trying to be helpful. I'm not dismissing you; I'm trying to help you redirect your efforts in a necessary way.No, I'm participating in philosophical disccusion. Stop telling me that I'm not doing what you think I should be doing, when I'm clearly doing what you think I'm not doing. You are not my dad so quit your patronising beak.
I fully realize you think you're doing philosophy. But I've got to tell you that by your own confession earlier, you're not. You're just doing gratuitous opinions, coupled with the excuse of epistemic relativism. A philosopher subjects his arguments to reason, evidence and logic, and opens them to critique. You show that you want to be free from critique, and claim there are no standards by which your views can be judged at all.
I'm getting a really good idea, from what you're saying. All I have to do is believe you.
And yet, philosophy is a communal practice with communally-determined rules. So other people's agreement to participate in the specified ways (reason, evidence, logic, etc.) is essential.So I really don't care whether or not that meets with yours or anyone elses approval.
I hate to tell you, but if you don't know that, you're not even in the "philosophy" game, even if you imagine you are.
It's not actually all that obscure...if you were aware of what philosophy actually is.Well whatever that is supposed to mean, I mean here we go again, you are always coming out with all these weird and fancy sayings that I have absolutely no idea how to reply to them.
"Meta"? No, it's not really philosophy at all, it seems. It's merely the floating out of opinions, to see who (to use your word) "resonates" with them.the stuff I'm really into that is real and true philosophy, a kind of meta philosophy.
Fine. No problem. But you then have to subject those views to rationality, examine them by logic, and consider the evidence for their reliability and truth. That's what philosophy does.
Not really, most people who post on philosophy forums are very open minded, I know I am.[/quote]
"Open minded" isn't the problem. What's the problem is your relativism. Open-mindedness plus relativism means that any idea can get into one's head, because one is not using any standard to screen illusions from truth, or good ideas from bad.
But under relativism, "sharing" means nothing. Because remember that "truth" is merely relative and personal, and thus doesn't apply to more than one person, according to relativism. You can't "share" when nobody else can "get" anything from you.No, I have no reason to critic anyone here or argue, since each and every one of us can only know what they know so far. All we are doing is showing others what we know so far. We can only know what we know, and some know more than others.
Apparently not. You "entered" something, but as someone who had a wrong idea about what "entering" here is for. Here, we do critique, logic, reasons, truth-seeking, argumentation, and debate. You came for something else, apparently, because you don't think any of that is even relevant or possible.
That's what relativism means. It means there's no common basis for conversation between people. There's no common grounds of truth.
You don't need to get crabby. I'm just taking what you told me about yourself seriously, and pointing out that it's not what philosophy is about. There's no reason you can't change your view if you wish...or not; but then, you won't be doing philosophy.