Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:39 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:53 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:47 pm
The EVIDENCE I HAVE is absolutely EVERY teaching from BOTH "jesus" AND "mohammad". They ARE in line with each other, and thus comparative. Therefore, I have given you the FREEDOM to pick or choose ABSOLUTELY ANY thing you like for YOUR evidence.
I am being even more considerate than that.
I have quoted a statement purportedly from Christ.. Now YOU provide at least 1 comparative statement that mor.ham.mad said.
One has to be quite stunned when someone says something so completely and obviously wrong as Age has there, and yet delivers it with all the confidence of certainty. Only a complete lack of knowledge, plus a complete misunderstanding of the real purpose of philosophy could account for a combination of such wrongness, coupled with a complete lack of interest in doing anything but seeming to "win" by shutting down discussion rather than seeking the truth.
It's really breathtaking, I've got to say.
And NOTICE, NOT one bit of countering any thing I HAVE said, from you.
1. IF one HAS TO BE quite stunned when I say have said some thing so completely and obviously WRONG, then HIGHLIGHT what I said was WRONG, and then EXPLAIN WHY, to you, it is WRONG. At least then I have some thing to respond to. Otherwise, we all HAVE TO ASSUME what it is that you are actually talking about.
2. The reason WHY I deliver EVERY thing I say with the confidence of CERTAINTY is because, unlike most of written here in this forum, I can back up and support what I say.
3. You say I have a COMPLETE LACK of knowledge, PLUS a COMPLETE misunderstanding of the REAL purpose of 'philosophy'. Now, this is delivered with all the confidence of CERTAINTY, so best then you EXPLAIN in FULL detail what the REAL purpose of 'philosophy' IS. THEN, we WILL be able to SEE how much actual KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING of 'philosophy' you have. You say I have a COMPLETE LACK of knowledge AND a COMPLETE misunderstanding so WILL you ENLIGHTEN 'us', or at least 'me'? (If you do NOT, however, then that says MORE about YOUR 'confidence of certainty' than any thing else.
4. AGAIN, you say I have a WRONGNESS, so AGAIN what is this WRONGNESS, which you purport I HAVE?
5. You say I have a COMPLETE 'lack of interest' in doing any thing but seeming to "win" by shutting down discussion. This is hilarious from my perspective, as it is I who is consistently REMAINING OPEN and asking CLARIFYING questions of the "other" in order to obtain a BETTER understanding from them and their perspective. Unfortunately though, to your CLOSED ones you SEE this as "shutting down discussion". You have got to be joking here.
Even what you are responding to, it was I who said I do NOT see what 'you', so called non-"muslim" people, see, and then also explained WHY 'you', people, ARE CONFUSED, from my perspective. IF ANY one wanted to then keep the discussion OPEN and FLOWING, then they would HAVE just ASKED me some clarifying questions. (Hitherto, no one has yet.) Instead I got some response that was just ANOTHER attempt at "ridicule" AND "humiliation". I then, also to keep the discussion OPEN, said; So, why do you not provide some thing, which you would call evidence to support your BELIEVE that "mohammed's" words are NOT comparative with "jesus's" words? Then we would have some thing to LOOK AT and discuss.
So, from what I can SEE, it was ME who has tried to keep this discussion OPEN and FLOWING, and it was you and "another" who has 'tried' to 'shut down the discussion'. You have NOT said any thing here other than I am WRONG and I COMPLETELY lack knowledge and understanding of things.
5. Remember it is 'you', human beings, who are STILL 'seeking truth'. I have ALREADY STATED many times HOW to FIND and SEE the Truth of things almost immediately. I am NOT 'seeking truth', because the Truth IS ALREADY KNOWN.
I am here, in this forum, NOT to 'seek truth' but to learn how to communicate with 'you', human beings, so that 'you', human beings, will finally wake up to yourselves and SEE the actual Truth of things. I am also here, in this forum, to use 'you', human beings, of the days of when this is written to SHOW just how 'you', human beings, are extremely CLOSED, how you ended up CLOSED, and WHY you became SO CLOSED as you are now.
Here is some advice, IF some one writes some thing with the confidence of CERTAINTY, then PROVE you are OPEN, by just asking them what it IS that they are actually saying and meaning, and explain that from your perspective what is being said seems to far fetched to have any truth to it. Doing this instead of doing EXACTLY what you did right here, by saying the "other" is WRONG because they LACK knowledge and understanding just PROVES how CLOSED you are, and how much 'you' write with a confidence of CERTAINTY.
You wrote that I am WRONG, so TELL US what is WRONG in what I wrote, and then TELL US why it is, supposedly, WRONG.
You also wrote that I LACK knowledge AND understanding, so TELL US what that 'knowledge' AND 'understanding' actually IS.
You SEEM very CONFIDENT in what you wrote, now go and PROVE IT, by SHOWING US how much knowledge AND understanding you REALLY have and SHOW us what is actually RIGHT.
We WILL then SEE why you REALLY are 'taken for breath'.