Re: Age: The Perfect Empirical God Exists
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:42 am
How about we START at the beginning, and you tell us what you THINK or BELIEVE I have been SAYING?SpheresOfBalance wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:19 amAge Originally wrote: ↑Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:00 am
As I have said previously; The Universe, Itself.
Then SpheresOfBalance wrote on Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:14 pm: That's not proof.
Age then Wrote on Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:58 pm: Why not?
Because you're assuming that only a god could create such a thing, yet science has proven otherwise.
You are WRONG. I do NOT assume any such thing.
Also, what do you think or believe I am assuming is the 'thing' that only a God could create (which science has supposedly already proven otherwise)?
How much more empirical evidence do you NEED?
Then SpheresOfBalance wrote on Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:14 pm:Empirical evidence of a god would be everyone seeing a god at the exact same time performing things a god does.
Age then Wrote on Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:58 pm: AND EVERY one IS SEEING a 'God' at the exact same time performing things a God does when they LOOK AT thee Universe and OBSERVE what thee Universe does, which IS; Create ALL things, which IS EXACTLY what A God is supposed to HAVE DONE, hitherto.
I'm glad you used the word supposed, which means that you're finally trying to be honest. Again it's an assumption, which science does not support.
What are you on about? When do you think or believe that I was DISHONEST, and what about EXACTLY?
Again, I am NOT assuming any thing here at all. But what do you think or believe I am assuming, (which you say science does not support)?
IF you provide the ANSWER to this, which I have absolutely NO idea what you have been ASSUMING here, then we could SEE if you are even remotely CLOSE.
If thee Universe, Itself, does NOT provide enough for you to observe and experience, then I do NOT know what else could.
Then SpheresOfBalance wrote on Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:14 pm:You surely have no idea of what proof is.
Age then Wrote on Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:58 pm: And surely some thing else might actually be the case here.
You surely may be MISSING THE mark completely here.
No, proof is something that absolutely leaves no room for doubt, no room for assumptions, something that's empirical or evidence supported by the scientific method.
And this leaving 'absolutely no room for doubt, no room for assumptions, something that is empirical or evidence supported by the scientific method' IS EXACTLY what PROOF thee Universe provides.
I KNOW WHY you are so BLIND that you can NOT SEE this, but WHY do you think you are NOT able to SEE this FACT?
And, if you do NOT see absolute PERFECTION
Then SpheresOfBalance wrote on Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:14 pm:Perfection is subjective, it's not necessarily universal.
Age then Wrote on Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:58 pm: I have stated the EXACT SAME thing numerous times ALREADY.
That is, IF you do NOT see PERFECTION, then that is NOT because the Universe is NOT perfect but because that is only how you LOOK AT and SEE things.
Nope! Quantify perfection as it pertains to the universe.
Absolutely complete in as being as good and/or as best as it possible can be.
Either you SEE the PERFECTION of thee Universe, Itself, or you think It could be better or more good? How 'you' SEE things is completely up to you.
in the actual living thing as the Universe, Itself, which has created 'you' and EVERY thing else, then you are FREE to observe and experience any thing, anyway you like.
Then SpheresOfBalance wrote on Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:14 pm:You sound quite naive.
Age then Wrote on Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:58 pm:Okay. To me, this view of YOURS is PERFECT here.
I sound naive because I SEE things differently than you do.
Nope, difference is not an issue. That you ignore all science which for many years has caused religion to withdraw it's prior dogma, is the issue.
Hopefully you did ANSWER my clarifying questions Honestly, in the first part of this post, and then we can SEE where YOU CONFUSION is coming from.
What do you think I have been saying, which ignores ALL science that caused religion to withdraw its prior dogma.
You say, this "is the issue". So, now explain WHAT IT IS, which you think or believe I have been saying.
Then SpheresOfBalance wrote on Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:14 pm:Honestly, how old are you?
Age then Wrote on Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:58 pm: Does it matter.
Yes, it does! because older people have lived longer and have usually amassed much wisdom and knowledge. Young people tend to make the same mistakes that older people made when they were younger. I've attended college for a short time, how about you?
Older human beings can also be the most CLOSED and thus unintelligent of ALL human beings.
I am the MOST uneducated one here. Does this matter as well?
Age then Wrote on Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:58 pm:'you', adults, continually LOOK AT making judgments of the one writing, instead of just LOKING AT the words and concentrating on them.
Nope, we see that ones writing is that of a young person because we used to be young.
'you', adult human beings, certainly do NOT have the ANSWERS about what is being discussed here.
In fact you have NOT yet provided one shred of any thing to prove what I am saying is WRONG, other than you implying that I am young and naive, as though that has some weight to suggest that I am actually WRONG.
I think what will be FOUND, that is; if you are Truly OPEN and Honest with us here, is that it is YOUR ASSUMPTIONS only, about what you THINK I am saying, which is what IS completely and utterly WRONG here.
Age then Wrote on Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:58 pm:You have NOT once said WHY, what I have written, is WRONG. All you have said is that I am WRONG, because I am supposedly "naive", and also implied because of "age", as though that would have any actual bearing on accuracy or not.
I just did! I tend to go one step at a time. It's true that the whys of things are most important, but I take it slow, taking each statement, and rebuttals in stride.
Well WHEN are you going to START rebutting what I have said SO FAR.
All you have done so far is say that science has disproved what you ASSUME it is that I am saying.
As I said I think it will be DISCOVERED that you do NOT even KNOW what I have been saying, and this is because you are WRONG ASSUMING and BELIEVING things, which are NOT EVEN TRUE.
Age then Wrote on Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:58 pm:Now, until you EXPLAIN WHY thee Universe, itself, is NOT proof of an already existing PERFECT empirical God, then you have really said nothing of substance so far, other than just expressed your OWN BELIEFS only.
Again, you have not provided empirical evidence of a god, of course you can believe what you want.
What is it with 'you', human beings, and LOOKING AT and SEEING in my words things that are NOT even there?
As you can see above, I mentioned some why's, now it's your turn to counter, if you choose to do so.