Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:58 pm
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I do NOT understand HOW nor WHY the Truly OPEN clarifying question; 'Why do 'you', human beings, even hate each "other" for anyway?' is a "dangerous question", NOR do I understand HOW nor WHY asking a clarifying question would get people kicked out of philosophy sites. So can you explain your response here? Also, why can that question be pursued in ONLY a superficial way?
If 'you', an individual human being, hates "others", then why NOT just answer Honestly why 'you' hate "others"? It REALLY is just that SIMPLE.
Have you ever wondered why Christ used parables? Why didn’t he just speak plainly? As I said this is a dangerous question which is why it cannot be raised where it isn’t wanted most of all in secular philosophy sites. You would think that philosophy by definition would welcome the essential questions of the heart which are the basis of philosophy. Not with secularized philosophy. That is why Plato’s cave cannot be discussed in depth. It raises questions which threaten human defense mechanisms. These questions raise such negativity that a thread is closed down and the person continually raising such questions must be banned. Secular philosophy sites are useful to learn about resistance but its depth must be limited to support of blind denial which so often expresses itself as hate.
IF "jesus" used parables so he would not be judged, ridiculed, and punished, or for any other reason, then SO WHAT?
So, when you say "dangerous" are you just referring to being banned from a forum?
If yes, then just because you have may have been banned from other sites, then that does NOT mean you will get banned from this site.
I KNOW full well of 'trying to' communicate with 'you', human beings', in a way that does NOT "upset the apple cart to much", as they say. This is because adult human beings do NOT like thee Truth of things and the Honesty about the WRONG that each one of 'you' DO.
The fear is just too strong in ALL of 'you' now, when this is written. And the only way you adults deal with being exposed for the Truth of what you do is to ignore, reject, ridicule, punish, and/or kill those who bring to light the Truth of things.
But the so called "danger" of revealing thee Truth of things only makes doing so MORE fun and exciting, and there is absolutely NOTHING to fear at all.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:58 pm"Grace fills empty spaces, but it can only enter where there is a void to receive it We must continually suspend the work of the imagination in filling the void within ourselves."
"In no matter what circumstances, if the imagination is stopped from pouring itself out, we have a void (the poor in spirit). In no matter what circumstances... imagination can fill the void. This is why the average human beings can become prisoners, slaves, prostitutes, and pass thru no matter what suffering without being purified."
"That is why we fly from the inner void, since God might steal into it. It is not the pursuit of pleasure and the aversion for effort which causes sin, but fear of God. We know that we cannot see him face to face without dying, and we do not want to die."
Simone Weil -- Gravity and Grace
But the FACE of God is been LOOKED AT RIGHT HERE and NOW. Most of 'you', human beings, just can NOT SEE It, although It is STARING at you RIGHT NOW.
Also, 'you' can ONLY SEE God face-to-face when there is consciousness within that body . After the body stops breathing and pumping blood NOTHING will be SEEN.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:58 pmOur personality rather than our essence lives our life for us. The great questions of philosophy and the essence of religion are directed towards our essence. This is why Christ spoke in parables. They are designed much like a Zen koan to get past our personality and intrigue our essence.
Well up to now those parables have not worked to well. Just explaining HOW to discover and SEE
what IS, for what It REALLY IS, may have been a better way to go. But each to their own.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:58 pmWhere we are born with our essence we acquire the defense mechanisms of our personality. That is why it must die in the presence of the truth of higher consciousness. It doesn’t want to die so whatever offers the possibility of the realistic experience of unwanted questions must be hated. It is an understandable defense mechanism the seeker of truth must outgrow.
I am NOT sure about 'you', BUT God
what IS is ALREADY KNOWN. It REALLY is that SIMPLE.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:58 pmJesus and Socrates both had to be killed since they represented influential humanity with the power to awaken. Such awakening means the death of our acquired defense mechanisms so we have this struggle between the power of essential truth against the power of the lie
If 'you' have that struggle then so be it. But I certainly do NOT have that struggle at all.
Have you ever heard me suggesting that it is better to be Truly Honest ALWAYS?
If you had, and you had ever done it, then you will KNOW and FEEL that there is absolutely NO struggle at all. Just like there are absolutely NO problems at all either.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:58 pmThe only way to stop hating is through awakening to the truth of what we are and why the human condition compels us to live in the unnatural state of imagination.
So what is the truth of what 'we' ARE?
Do you KNOW yet?
Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:58 pm But since such knowledge threatens the dominant personality which governs life in Plato’s cave it is only possible for the small minority willing to sacrifice defense mechanisms in pursuit of the truth of why we are as we are.
Are you absolutely 100% sure of this?
Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:58 pmObviously it requires a special venue to share on this level which must become private.
If you BELIEVE that this is the case, then do you want to go "private" with me?
The great awakening ideas of real philosophy and the essence of religion must be hated by the dominant personality. They threaten its life and must corrupt the youth of Athens so such depth must be prevented by more satisfying imagination.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:58 pmWhat do you mean by "from the beginning"?
From when did "jesus" know he was to be killed?
And IF "jesus" knew he was going to be killed for what he way saying, then WHY did he just NOT have the patience to wait and LEARN how to communicate better with human beings, so that he could be understood FULLY?
This would be hard to explain but what if what took place yesterday repeats in NOW as eternal recurrence?
Then it just repeats in NOW as eternal recurrence. Could it be any thing else?
Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:58 pmThen it is known in higher consciousness. Jesus mission was to consciously experience the worst man has to offer mechanically for the sake of the Resurrection. Don’t ask me to explain that. These ideas cannot be explained.
But ALL of this is ALREADY KNOWN, just learning HOW to explain it ALL so that it is ALL FULLY UNDERSTOOD just takes some time learn.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:58 pmThey have to be lived in order to understand them in the real meaning of the word “understand”.
Once 'you' understand,
understanding, then ALL of these little issues just fall into place, naturally.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:58 pmUntil you tell me WHY pondering what they said is a dangerous subject I may NEVER know.
To me pondering such things is NOT a dangerous subject at all. In fact, it has now become more curiously exciting and more interesting.
Yes, considering questions superficially from the point of view of our acquired personalities is exciting and interesting. But when it becomes sincere and such ideas threaten our personality, then they are dangerous as previously explained.
If a person is WANTING to HOLD ONTO their personality, then that is fair enough. But I have informed numerous times ALREADY about HOW to change, for the better, so that the Truth of things can be SEEN, almost immediately. Letting go of one's self (the personality) is a very SIMPLE and very EASY thing to do, as I have been explaining for a while now in this forum.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:58 pmWHY MUST 'you', human beings, continually be cruel AND hypocritical?
Plato explained this in the Chariot analogy.
But I am NOT asking "plato". I am asking 'you'.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:58 pmThe driver is pulled by two horses. The white one representing our higher parts work well. The dark horse represents our lower parts which have become out of balance and corrupt so pull the chariot down towards the earth. Our task is to learn how they are corrupt and how to cure a sick horse.
ALL of this is FULLY UNDERSTOOD when 'you' learn HOW the Mind and the brain work, which, by the way, is also a very SIMPLE and EASY thing to learn AND understand. That is; once you have the KNOW-HOW.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:58 pmSo EITHER there is 'peace' or there is 'cruel hypocrisy'. There can NOT be BOTH at the same time. So, which one is it?
We live in cycles both as individuals and within society. We are capable of both the greatest compassion and the most abhorrent atrocities.
VERY TRUE. So, WHY do 'you', the individual adult human being, do things that are the most abhorrent atrocities or just plain WRONG?
Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:58 pmThis absurdity is called normal.
Then IF it is "normal", then you would NOT want to do any thing abnormal would you?
Using this favorite word "normal" has been a very common attempt at "justifying" adult human beings WRONG behaviors for countless years or centuries now.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:58 pm It is the human condition and all attempts to consciously confront it except by a small minority must be hated and considered insulting or meaningless..
It is NOT a matter of MUST BE hated, et cetera. The use of the term "MUST BE" is just another favorite attempt of adult human beings to "justify" the WRONG that they continually keep doing.