Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:17 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:45 am
I wonder if Jesus and his so called sacrifice ever actually happened or was it all just a story
Me too. I can see how the stories could be based on a real person, since they were written by different people who gave similar accounts. Apparently, it was regular practice at that time to nail and hang rebels and troublemakers on gates and posts to make an example of them. It's understandable how his devoted followers would glorify his death and make him immortal, all within the larger story of their belief of a god, and Jesus as their beloved leader.
its important to know sourcing too.
Matt and Luke are sourced on Mark and "Q" and each have one other the other does not. so that makes 4 sources (assuming those 4 were not all based on the now long lost "q" - of course if all 4 (only mark exists today of course) are based on "q" then that make only one source originally.
so who knows, lets spit the difference and say 3 sources then.
then we have 3 separate sources:
Gospel of John - no taken from the Synoptics in any way, its its own creation (no doubt from earlier oral or even written accounts now lost - but not related to the sources of the Synoptics).
The Didiche(sp)
Josephus' work.
----so that makes 5 separate sources about Jesus.
(BTW it looks like John the Baptist was a bigger fish at the time - had more followers). It probably to affirm the Gospels that Jesus was a follower of John, and then after the latter was killed "took over" (more aptly took some of the former followers, many stayed with the dead John as essenes not affiliated with jesus, and did not join jesus at the time.
I believe Saul mentions Appolionus(sp) as one of the 500 or so John the Baptist followers that did not join christianity until later, after jesus' death.
(i might be wrong on this - investigate this yourselves if interested)
Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:17 pm
Look at how many Christians today hold up and glorify leaders -- "seeing"/imagining only what they want to see (what serves their stories) despite so much to the contrary that is right in front of them which they refuse to acknowledge. It is a relentlessly controlling state of mind -- which seems to show one extreme to which humans can create and go. Many appear to be profoundly intoxicated and rigid from it -- especially when they cannot even consider or acknowledge other/broader truths, which should be completely obvious/visible to anyone. Fascinating what humans can and will do.
Saulists took over Christianity by 200 AD. the orginal Christians are long dead. i.e Jewish christians (book of James/Jude) where works matter.
today its all Athoritarianism, Saulist's "Faith alone (fuck good works) for salvation" mentality.