Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:06 am
C.S. Lewis converted from Atheism, as did Antony Flew. Ravi Zacharias converted from Hinduism, and Nabeel Qureshi was a Muslim.
I know C.s. is revered by many, but i personally do not care for his works.
i know nothing of the man so will not disparage the dead, but per is works i think they are overrated.
i know nothing nor heard of the other men you mention, so cannot comment about them.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:06 am
People do change beliefs all the time. Culture may incline us one way or another initially, but it's not at all determinative in the long run.
dissagee, it think you have it inverted folks nearly never break out of their cultural box IMO.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:55 am
I don't actually read that He hated any pagans.
agreed, i was lazy and wrong in the prior post, per the bible Jesus, Jesus never hated pagans.
did not really concern himself with them actually, he focus was on Judaic faithful vs the Judaic hypocrites.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:55 am
Jesus Christ did indeed have an audience before Herod, who abused Him;
yes i know, at least he had a show trial, unlike his mentor, who just had his head removed because Herod's wife demanded it.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:55 am
but He was killed proximally by a Roman named Pilate and his soldiers, in conjunction with those hypocritical religious folks of whom you just spoke.
yes i know, in fact Judea was a Roman provence - so Rome in effect, and even if Herod in an alternate universe absolved Jesus of heresy-insurrection, if the Romans thought otherwise, they would have killed him in spite of Herod's ruling/views of the man.
if it was a matter of Roman Order.
which it was BTW - Herod just happened to agree with the Romans (Herod was a lacky bootlicker, so prob convicted Jesus to please his Roman masters regardless of his personal views about the man).
Legal per the rule of power/empire, Herod was no fool and know his neck would be next if he defended Jesus, and had not reason too either being a bootlicker.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:55 am
Ultimately, the person who killed Him was me. He died because I was a sinner and a God-hater, and because He loved me and wanted forgiveness to be available to me. As the Bible says,
"[Jesus Christ} was delivered over because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification." (Romans 4:25)
yes i understand your Religion's tenents on the matter.
IMO the Romans killed him for insurrection against the empire for being a Essene Jew - they killed many 100's before him and as many after him before the Roman Empire collapsed. in all of her provences - from Spain to Syria.
Sparticus (alone with 100's of his followers were crusified 400 yrs earlier- in Italy herself - he and his army were the spark of "no tolaration" for the Romans afterward for centuries.