-1- wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:28 am
gaffo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:21 am
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:29 pm
No, it's the opposite. Evolution is, by definition, gradualism produced by natural causes. Resurrection is instantaneous, and caused by God.
Maybe. But they're not Christian, then, by the Apostle Paul's definition.
He regarded the resurrection as a sine qua non of Christianity, as you say in the subsequent passage you quote from 1 Corinthians.
this is true, but of course Pauline dogma won out in the christianity theology wars.
esp, due to Jersalem being raised by the Romans and James (head of the Christian Church and Jesus brother, killed 5 yr prior by Jewish elders - thrown off temple wall and clubbed to death).
James and Jude valued works, the former refers to Saul's works as "faith without works is dead" - so author of James (Jude as Jesus other brother (he had 4 i think - and at least 2 sisters)
Author of Mark is burning in hell now - via Paul's requirements. Mark is clear, works matter, Jesus was born via sexual intercourse, and was adopted as god's Son around the age of 30 via john the Baptist on the river jordan.
that is not Saul's view of Jesus.
Saul condemns author of Mark to Hell forever - and since Christians are now Paulists, christians comdenm author of Mark to Hell forever.
author of john/luke and matt might get a pass to heaven per Paulists though.
James and Jude are of course burning in Hell with Mark.
Dear Gaffo, I bow to your incredibly deep and detailed understanding of the holy scripts.
i thank you for the complement - i do think i know more about "holy" scritures (I'm an atheist, but do have a mind and so do value/dissvalue - works of our religious elder - i just deny a "unified Bible" and not each and every work in that codex - noting the authors theme/mentality - then judge it worthy for me or unworthy.
there are many more par more knowlegable - i recommend Bart Erhman (sp - dylexic - i welcome your offer of a brain transplant for proper spelling of that nice and knowledgable man's name (I met him one yrs ago - seens nice - at least to member of the audience (maybe he was nice to me and then went home to beat his wife - maybe/could be - he is not a friend of mine - lol - i just prefer to assume the best of folks untiled shown otherwise)
-1- wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:28 am
I wish to obtain your permission to collect your posts on these forums that deal with mythology of christianity and judaism. After I collect them, I wish to compile them into a structured form.
great! you have my permission, just not that "only a fool knows" - and so even though i do think i have more knowledge than most "believers" (though i aint! - irony), i know the "more i know the more i know less" - so strive to be humble.
others - like Ehrman know much more the me.
but yes, go for it, include my posts in your Great Work. lol
.............and sure (i read below before reply - i'll take 3/4 of your income from said work - in this hard world $$$ is a shield (sadly)
-1- wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:28 am
But all that could be avoided if you, the author himself, wrote a book about comparative religions for the layman, pointing out myths and misconceptions that people mostly have,
what could be avoided (tribalism?)......not sure if you ever saw the movie 10 yrs ago or so "Children of Men"....BTW the movie sucks because no character development, but there is one scene in that building - where the gal give birth to a baby (oh my God!!!!!!!!!!! - the whole war/killing was over no births!!!!!!!!!!! and all of the sudden a baby'c cry is heard by the soldiers trying to kill them..........they lower their Ak's and the gal/baby and the guy are allowed to leave the bulding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
then the war resumes 2 minute later!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
why? hypocricy! war was never about no birth! here you have a birth, the bot-grunts are shocked "A birth!" to allow 2 minute reprieve of "an enemy" - after the baby/company leave the Bot return to fighting!!!!!!!
for what? the theme of the war over no births! there was a birth! - grunts still fought! so war was one of other reasons - love of killing?/etc - not over the "reason" stated.
hypocrisy - weak minds.
Iraqnam anyone?
-1- wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:28 am
and pointing out the way the passages developed into common man's faith,
yes, one just has to have in interest in history, and so understand how/that dogma/gods change.
YHWH of 200 yrs ago is not the same YHWH as those' view of that "same god"
jew/chiristain/islamic - same thing. i have no doubt that muslims today do not have the same mindest of "God" as today - anymore than Jews nor Christians.
yes views differed between them back then (and within them too!!!!!!!!!) - but i suspect they would have little in common with the mindset of their modern brothers doctrinally today (of course they've been dead for 1500 yrs so who knows).
just stating understanding of history and peoples living back then matters in a great understanding if these matter.
-1- wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:28 am
which are often based not on the very script, but on the faith superimposed, falsly or rightly, on the original text.
"as it was it is" vise versa.
no doubt folks 2000 yrs ago were "schooled" to reinterpret some screed in a more contermoray manner, rather then its original intent.
most did, others like you and me - a minority sadly, had the mind to think for themselves and ask "why"
-1- wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:28 am
Then you could hire an editor to fix your dyslexia-born language. Or you could hire me as a co-author, I'd fix your dyslexia-born language, and you and I could try to find a publisher. I'd expect no payment from you for editing, but would share the publishing income 75 percent to you, 25 percent to me.
Unless of course your wealth of knowledge has been described and published by some other authors, independently of you.
This is a project I would really much like to undertake. What you say?
sounds good to me, when do you expect the publlsh our work?
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btw, i do like the work by the author "john" - his Apocaplypse - its anti Roman, and if i were living there in that place and time would be also. I think was was an Essene Jew - prob a follower of John the Baptist, then converted to Christianity before writing his work ("john" of The Apocalypes is NOT the same man - not the same "John" that wrote Gosp of John (both the theology and the language used differs too much - author of Gospel know Greek well, author of Apocalypse did not (being a jew - imo).
I do not dissparage author of Apocalypse to claim Satan is the Snake - his work is about justice - fight the romans who kill us - i personally think the equation of the two entities was done a century or 2 earlier, and he was just relying what had been equated as one (though of course he was in erronous)