Belinda wrote: ↑
Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:34 am
Whether one is a determinist or a Free Will believer is a matter of faith not reason.
That's quite right, actually. But that's because of Determinism. Determinism is so reductive, and so unscientific, that there simply is no test that could possibly either verify or falsify its hypothesis. There's always another way to say, "Well, you only said/did that because X and Y caused you to say/do it."
For example, you'll find it's impossible to disprove my claim if I insist there's no "Belinda," just a collection of atoms assembled by prior accidents that happens to sit in a "Belinda" configuration at the moment, crowned with the "epiphenomenon" of a subjective delusion of Belindaness. Since "Belindaness" is incapable of verification (or falsification) by empirical test, you'll find it impossible to disprove me.
I still might well be wrong, for all that. Maybe there is a real "Belinda." But you can't prove there is. That's the problem with Determinism. It seems to "answer" every objection, not by proving itself right, but by being so broad a hypothesis as to be beyond disproof.
I want to believe nature is an ordered affair therefore my bias is towards causal determinism.
I get that. But "order" isn't an all-or-nothing choice, as in "either everything is programmed, or nothing ever is." You can have a highly ordered environment, but elements of openness to alternatives within it -- especially in regard to the volition of humans.
The theistic explanation for man's having Free Will and no other animal or plant's having it is human Free Will is a special gift directly from God. This is the only explanation for Free Will. If I believed God intervenes in his plans for the natural world in this way then I could believe in Free Will. But I don't believe God intervenes in nature or history.
Well, we don't call it "a special gift." What we say is that the Creator constituted mankind with a will. And we do say that the Supreme Being, if He chooses to do so, can intervene to do something in the material world -- a miracle, if you will. However, we also say that such events are extremely rare historically, and most regularly, the world is allowed to proceed by its own rules and natural laws. (Indeed, that's why we call such interventions "miracles": they're recognized as such by their extreme unusualness, and by the fact that the world does not constantly manifest itself to us in miraculous interventions. "Miracle" is a practical synonym for "extremely rare and contrary-to-expectation event, requiring actual divine involvement).
So there's the order you've been looking for.