ADDRESS ALL MY POINTS THIS TIME IF YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR OWN CONVICTIONS
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:17 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:05 pm
So God enshrined the life of someone that was impregnated by force - rape. ..and the mother of the child must love that offspring regardless of the memory of its conception?
We can talk about that.
But first, I want to see what you really care about here.
According to neutral statisticians, all health-related and crime related abortions total only 7.5% of all the abortions in North America. The other 93% are for convenience.
If you'll agree that 93% of abortions, the purely convenience ones, are all deeply evil, then I'll talk about the 7%.
So what do you say?
Sure. So long as you address the original points I made if I reiterate them.
No. I don't agree that abortions, even of convenience are deeply evil.
In my youth I agreed to abortions, not so sure it was out of convenience, there is the thought I still hold to that I and her would not have provided a good upbringing for children at the time (and now that I am far more mature, am certain of it)
Over to you.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:17 pm
Then there are no terms on which you will not kill a baby.
This statement proves you are irrational. So according to that statement I could kill a baby because I was not happy with the level of milk in my cup of tea.
I gave you the terms that I aborted a foetus (not a baby btw) - and again, as someone that comprehends a soul - what did i do exactly? Did I terminate the eternal life of a soul? ANSWER THAT.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:17 pmThe truth, then, is that you don't see any special relevance in cases of rape or health crises: you are an advocate for killing babies for any reason.
A baby has a bond with a family that have usually embraced it, family have formed a bond a love. A foetus is far from that.
Again - the soul Immanuel - that's all that matters is it not - whether one has terminated a soul - is that what you are alluding to?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:17 pmI get it. But then, there's no more to say, since you have absolutely no moral reservations about infanticide. There are no criteria to which I can direct you...you accept none.
...and what if I told you I am a Christian? ...and that even as a Christian, God, since my 'evil' act has made me suffer more than Christ?
Where does your consideration of MY evil act stand now?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:24 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:17 am
Why do you care about the life of an entity that has not lived one especially in consideration that this entity has an indestructible soul?
All human beings are intrinsically valuable. Their lives are an opportunity given to them by God.
So God enshrined the life of someone that was impregnated by force - rape. ..and the mother of the child must love that offspring regardless of the memory of its conception?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:24 pmThat makes both them and their lives of infinite value.
So you are one of those that must inject the word infinite and beyond that, propose that there is also infinite value in a human being.
Please give me an example where any human has had infinite value.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:24 pmIt also makes them not property of other people to dispose of in any way they like, or to deprive of their unalienable right to a life.
What right to life? There are countless numbers of failed pregnancies occurring all the time, did 'God' decide those of failed pregnancies didn't have a right to life? But the ones impregnated by the force of rape did? - please explain.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:24 pmMurder's not wrong just because of what it does against the victim; it's also a crime against the One who gave them life.
This is a good point for me to readdress a point of mine you have avoided. That the soul is indestructible, a foetus has had no life, gained no love of relatives etc..ergo - nothing lost by way of love of loss - nothing lost by way of life ultimately since there is an indestructible soul. This soul from my comprehension, lives again from the stage of a foetus, reembeded within a womb and ultimate birth of a family that the 'soul' deserves.
The only thing that matters in your point - regarding murder (of a lived life) is that there are family/friends that loved that individual. There is no 'crime' against the 'one' that gave life (God), there is only a crime against the thing that matters most - and that is the love of those that have now lost their beloved.