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Islam Means Peace?

Post by Veritas Aequitas » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:05 am

It is very often claimed 'Islam' means peace, but it is not the case.
I believe the truth must prevail rather than merely blind beliefs.

Here is an interesting video which explains very clearly what "Islam" means exactly via analysis of its root elements S-L-M pictorially.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibNTMEsABbo

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Re: Islam Means Peace?

Post by QuantumT » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:45 pm

Islam, directly translated, means submission or devotion.

Saying it means peace is propaganda.

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Re: Islam Means Peace?

Post by bahman » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:04 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:05 am
It is very often claimed 'Islam' means peace, but it is not the case.
I believe the truth must prevail rather than merely blind beliefs.

Here is an interesting video which explains very clearly what "Islam" means exactly via analysis of its root elements S-L-M pictorially.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibNTMEsABbo
If you are a believer of Allah then what you do is good. Islam and Christianity for example are both about submission. You can choose between Hell and Heaven though. Etc.

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Re: Islam Means Peace?

Post by SpheresOfBalance » Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:08 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:05 am
It is very often claimed 'Islam' means peace, but it is not the case.
I believe the truth must prevail rather than merely blind beliefs.

Here is an interesting video which explains very clearly what "Islam" means exactly via analysis of its root elements S-L-M pictorially.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibNTMEsABbo
It's a simple thing really, Mecca is the site of an annihilated city, there was no diplomatic process to deal with their differences, so by it's very nature it's evil, determinism dictates such an understanding.

Am I expecting far too much from such an ancient people? Basic, unlearned and barbarous?

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Re: Islam Means Peace?

Post by Veritas Aequitas » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:24 am

bahman wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:04 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:05 am
It is very often claimed 'Islam' means peace, but it is not the case.
I believe the truth must prevail rather than merely blind beliefs.

Here is an interesting video which explains very clearly what "Islam" means exactly via analysis of its root elements S-L-M pictorially.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibNTMEsABbo
If you are a believer of Allah then what you do is good. Islam and Christianity for example are both about submission. You can choose between Hell and Heaven though. Etc.
First there is the linguistic issue.
Hebrew and Arabic words are mainly from trilateral roots where a three-alphabet-root can have many similar and different meanings.
Muslims try to deceive others that the word itself 'Islam' meant 'peace' but as the OP explained, "Islam" from the root S-L-M specifically meant submission to Allah and its command.

Yes, Christianity and Islam are both about submission and surrender to the will/commands of God.
But what is critical here is, what are the nature of the commands of God encoded in the holy texts.

The problem with Islam and the Quran is the commands/words of Allah are immutable and loaded with tons of evil laden verses. This is evident by the terrible evil and violent acts committed by SOME [critical quantum] evil prone Muslims in compliance as a divine duty to please Allah.

The main ethos of Christianity on the other hand as represented in the New Testament [overriding the OT] is that of love, i.e. love your enemies, neighbors, give the other cheeks and all sorts of concession. These commands are not very practical but that's God command.
Whatever is written in the OT [as translated] is not taken to be immutable but principles-based.

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Re: Islam Means Peace?

Post by bahman » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:07 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:24 am
bahman wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:04 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:05 am
It is very often claimed 'Islam' means peace, but it is not the case.
I believe the truth must prevail rather than merely blind beliefs.

Here is an interesting video which explains very clearly what "Islam" means exactly via analysis of its root elements S-L-M pictorially.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibNTMEsABbo
If you are a believer of Allah then what you do is good. Islam and Christianity for example are both about submission. You can choose between Hell and Heaven though. Etc.
First there is the linguistic issue.
Hebrew and Arabic words are mainly from trilateral roots where a three-alphabet-root can have many similar and different meanings.
Muslims try to deceive others that the word itself 'Islam' meant 'peace' but as the OP explained, "Islam" from the root S-L-M specifically meant submission to Allah and its command.

Yes, Christianity and Islam are both about submission and surrender to the will/commands of God.
But what is critical here is, what are the nature of the commands of God encoded in the holy texts.

The problem with Islam and the Quran is the commands/words of Allah are immutable and loaded with tons of evil laden verses. This is evident by the terrible evil and violent acts committed by SOME [critical quantum] evil prone Muslims in compliance as a divine duty to please Allah.

The main ethos of Christianity on the other hand as represented in the New Testament [overriding the OT] is that of love, i.e. love your enemies, neighbors, give the other cheeks and all sorts of concession. These commands are not very practical but that's God command.
Whatever is written in the OT [as translated] is not taken to be immutable but principles-based.
Well, there is not such a big difference, your hell either start in this world or in another world anyway.

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Re: Islam Means Peace?

Post by Veritas Aequitas » Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:36 am

bahman wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:07 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:24 am
bahman wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:04 pm

If you are a believer of Allah then what you do is good. Islam and Christianity for example are both about submission. You can choose between Hell and Heaven though. Etc.
First there is the linguistic issue.
Hebrew and Arabic words are mainly from trilateral roots where a three-alphabet-root can have many similar and different meanings.
Muslims try to deceive others that the word itself 'Islam' meant 'peace' but as the OP explained, "Islam" from the root S-L-M specifically meant submission to Allah and its command.

Yes, Christianity and Islam are both about submission and surrender to the will/commands of God.
But what is critical here is, what are the nature of the commands of God encoded in the holy texts.

The problem with Islam and the Quran is the commands/words of Allah are immutable and loaded with tons of evil laden verses. This is evident by the terrible evil and violent acts committed by SOME [critical quantum] evil prone Muslims in compliance as a divine duty to please Allah.

The main ethos of Christianity on the other hand as represented in the New Testament [overriding the OT] is that of love, i.e. love your enemies, neighbors, give the other cheeks and all sorts of concession. These commands are not very practical but that's God command.
Whatever is written in the OT [as translated] is not taken to be immutable but principles-based.
Well, there is not such a big difference, your hell either start in this world or in another world anyway.
Note this big critical difference;

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The major evil acts of the above are driven directly by the evil ethos within the Quran and intrinsic to Islam.

There are Christians who commit evil and violent acts but they are not inspired by the words of Jesus and the God of Christianity as represented in the NT.
It is the same with all other religions [Judaism?? = contentious] which do not inspire their believers to commit evil and violent acts against non-believers as a divine duty in the name of a God.

Still no significant difference?

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Re: Islam Means Peace?

Post by bahman » Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:00 pm

I agree with you if we consider evil as bad.

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Re: Islam Means Peace?

Post by Frank N Stein » Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:22 pm

How many countries have muslim countries invaded lately? How many has christian America invaded? Britain has invaded nine out of every ten countries.

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Re: Islam Means Peace?

Post by Veritas Aequitas » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:15 am

Frank N Stein wrote:
Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:22 pm
How many countries have muslim countries invaded lately? How many has christian America invaded? Britain has invaded nine out of every ten countries.
You need to separate the ideology from the believers.
The US' UK, France, Germany's intervention in other countries [Muslims majority or otherwise] has nothing to do with the New Testament - the core 'constitution' of Christianity. These countries of the West may be Christian majority but those countries has Muslims and other religions too. Their intervention in other countries is based on politics in conformance with their constitution.

Islam the ideology on the other hand has evil laden elements that condone and inspire its followers to kill non-believers and to whatever it takes to defend the religion. Not all Muslims as believer are evil prone, but there is a substantial percentile of Muslims [300 million if 20% are evil prone] who will be inspired to obey the evil commands within the Quran - the core constitution of Islam.

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The above fatal terrible evil and violent acts are spread over all countries that has Muslims or are invaded by Muslims from outside. The above acts are traceable to verses in the Quran which inspire and compelled SOME evil prone Muslims to carry out those acts as a divine duty to please Allah so that the believers can go to Paradise with eternal life.

Muslims also kill other Muslims. At present Saudi Arabia [Sunni Muslim] is attacking Yemen [Shia Muslim] which is more political than religiously driven, thus the killings in that war are not included in the above statistics.
Nevertheless when Muslims kill other Muslims there are also elements related to Islam because the Quran condemned hypocrites and those Muslims who are supposed deviants.

Islam does not mean peace, rather it inherently contains very evil and malignant elements. This is so glaringly evident.

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Re: Islam Means Peace?

Post by Frank N Stein » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:55 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:15 am
Frank N Stein wrote:
Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:22 pm
How many countries have muslim countries invaded lately? How many has christian America invaded? Britain has invaded nine out of every ten countries.
You need to separate the ideology from the believers.
The US' UK, France, Germany's intervention in other countries [Muslims majority or otherwise] has nothing to do with the New Testament - the core 'constitution' of Christianity. These countries of the West may be Christian majority but those countries has Muslims and other religions too. Their intervention in other countries is based on politics in conformance with their constitution.

Islam the ideology on the other hand has evil laden elements that condone and inspire its followers to kill non-believers and to whatever it takes to defend the religion. Not all Muslims as believer are evil prone, but there is a substantial percentile of Muslims [300 million if 20% are evil prone] who will be inspired to obey the evil commands within the Quran - the core constitution of Islam.

Image

The above fatal terrible evil and violent acts are spread over all countries that has Muslims or are invaded by Muslims from outside. The above acts are traceable to verses in the Quran which inspire and compelled SOME evil prone Muslims to carry out those acts as a divine duty to please Allah so that the believers can go to Paradise with eternal life.

Muslims also kill other Muslims. At present Saudi Arabia [Sunni Muslim] is attacking Yemen [Shia Muslim] which is more political than religiously driven, thus the killings in that war are not included in the above statistics.
Nevertheless when Muslims kill other Muslims there are also elements related to Islam because the Quran condemned hypocrites and those Muslims who are supposed deviants.

Islam does not mean peace, rather it inherently contains very evil and malignant elements. This is so glaringly evident.
You should do something about your obsession. It's not healthy.

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Re: Islam Means Peace?

Post by Veritas Aequitas » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:14 am

Frank N Stein wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:55 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:15 am
Frank N Stein wrote:
Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:22 pm
How many countries have muslim countries invaded lately? How many has christian America invaded? Britain has invaded nine out of every ten countries.
You need to separate the ideology from the believers.
The US' UK, France, Germany's intervention in other countries [Muslims majority or otherwise] has nothing to do with the New Testament - the core 'constitution' of Christianity. These countries of the West may be Christian majority but those countries has Muslims and other religions too. Their intervention in other countries is based on politics in conformance with their constitution.

Islam the ideology on the other hand has evil laden elements that condone and inspire its followers to kill non-believers and to whatever it takes to defend the religion. Not all Muslims as believer are evil prone, but there is a substantial percentile of Muslims [300 million if 20% are evil prone] who will be inspired to obey the evil commands within the Quran - the core constitution of Islam.

Image

The above fatal terrible evil and violent acts are spread over all countries that has Muslims or are invaded by Muslims from outside. The above acts are traceable to verses in the Quran which inspire and compelled SOME evil prone Muslims to carry out those acts as a divine duty to please Allah so that the believers can go to Paradise with eternal life.

Muslims also kill other Muslims. At present Saudi Arabia [Sunni Muslim] is attacking Yemen [Shia Muslim] which is more political than religiously driven, thus the killings in that war are not included in the above statistics.
Nevertheless when Muslims kill other Muslims there are also elements related to Islam because the Quran condemned hypocrites and those Muslims who are supposed deviants.

Islam does not mean peace, rather it inherently contains very evil and malignant elements. This is so glaringly evident.
You should do something about your obsession. It's not healthy.
Why the fuss? This is only a discussion in a philosophical forum.
It would be different if I carry a placard and walk around Times Square every day or shout about it in Speaker's Corner [London].

What I have commented and critiqued is based on facts.
The fact is there is a great possibility "you" or any non-Muslim could be blown to pieces any time, anywhere.
You want everyone to shut up and be an ostrich on the above facts??

Note this week 17 Jan 2019
This Week in Terror (Syria, Kenya, Egypt, United States)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H69qxBaiIog

I had always yearned to visit the pyramids.
If I am not wary and is a Dodo like you, I could have been a victim in this recent attack around the pyramid.
You could easily be one of the above fatalities.

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Re: Islam Means Peace?

Post by Frank N Stein » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:02 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:14 am
Frank N Stein wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:55 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:15 am

You need to separate the ideology from the believers.
The US' UK, France, Germany's intervention in other countries [Muslims majority or otherwise] has nothing to do with the New Testament - the core 'constitution' of Christianity. These countries of the West may be Christian majority but those countries has Muslims and other religions too. Their intervention in other countries is based on politics in conformance with their constitution.

Islam the ideology on the other hand has evil laden elements that condone and inspire its followers to kill non-believers and to whatever it takes to defend the religion. Not all Muslims as believer are evil prone, but there is a substantial percentile of Muslims [300 million if 20% are evil prone] who will be inspired to obey the evil commands within the Quran - the core constitution of Islam.

Image

The above fatal terrible evil and violent acts are spread over all countries that has Muslims or are invaded by Muslims from outside. The above acts are traceable to verses in the Quran which inspire and compelled SOME evil prone Muslims to carry out those acts as a divine duty to please Allah so that the believers can go to Paradise with eternal life.

Muslims also kill other Muslims. At present Saudi Arabia [Sunni Muslim] is attacking Yemen [Shia Muslim] which is more political than religiously driven, thus the killings in that war are not included in the above statistics.
Nevertheless when Muslims kill other Muslims there are also elements related to Islam because the Quran condemned hypocrites and those Muslims who are supposed deviants.

Islam does not mean peace, rather it inherently contains very evil and malignant elements. This is so glaringly evident.
You should do something about your obsession. It's not healthy.
Why the fuss? This is only a discussion in a philosophical forum.
It would be different if I carry a placard and walk around Times Square every day or shout about it in Speaker's Corner [London].

What I have commented and critiqued is based on facts.
The fact is there is a great possibility "you" or any non-Muslim could be blown to pieces any time, anywhere.
You want everyone to shut up and be an ostrich on the above facts??

Note this week 17 Jan 2019
This Week in Terror (Syria, Kenya, Egypt, United States)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H69qxBaiIog

I had always yearned to visit the pyramids.
If I am not wary and is a Dodo like you, I could have been a victim in this recent attack around the pyramid.
You could easily be one of the above fatalities.
Repetition makes you a crashing bore though :roll:

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Re: Islam Means Peace?

Post by Veritas Aequitas » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:10 am

Frank N Stein wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:02 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:14 am
Frank N Stein wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:55 am


You should do something about your obsession. It's not healthy.
Why the fuss? This is only a discussion in a philosophical forum.
It would be different if I carry a placard and walk around Times Square every day or shout about it in Speaker's Corner [London].

What I have commented and critiqued is based on facts.
The fact is there is a great possibility "you" or any non-Muslim could be blown to pieces any time, anywhere.
You want everyone to shut up and be an ostrich on the above facts??

Note this week 17 Jan 2019
This Week in Terror (Syria, Kenya, Egypt, United States)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H69qxBaiIog

I had always yearned to visit the pyramids.
If I am not wary and is a Dodo like you, I could have been a victim in this recent attack around the pyramid.
You could easily be one of the above fatalities.
Repetition makes you a crashing bore though :roll:
It is your discretion to do what you want.
The facts I presented repeatedly is a good reminder and may help others.

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Re: Islam Means Peace?

Post by HexHammer » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:53 am

QuantumT wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:45 pm
Islam, directly translated, means submission or devotion.

Saying it means peace is propaganda.
QFT!

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