Buddhism's 4NT-8FP is a Life Problem Solving Technique.

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Re: Buddhism's 4NT-8FP is a Life Problem Solving Technique.

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:22 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:48 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:35 am

So buddhism does not state if you do not follow its principles you will be reincarnated in a lower realm?
Buddhism-proper lays down its core principles as universal guidance for a Life's Problem Solving Technique.
  • 1. NT1 Life problems are inevitable
    2. NT2 which arise from its root causes
    3. NT3 which can be resolved via
    4. NT4 the Noble 8 Folds Path.
The above is an iterative model of continuous improvements.

One of the core principles, i.e. anatta and emptiness, i.e.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatt%C4%81
re no soul,
thus nothing to be reborn.

Buddhism is a very flexible religion and if people [Buddhists] want to believe in rebirth of the soul or part thereof, they can do so, but that is not Buddhism proper.
Buddhism proper is about ending the cycles of reincarnation as cycles of suffering, you cannot seperate buddhism from reincarnation.
Who are you to insist on the above?

Btw, the issue of reincarnation is not related to Buddhism, but rather that is Hinduism.

For Buddhism the issue is 'the question of rebirth' but that is not Buddhism-proper based on the core principles of Buddhism.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:39 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:22 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:48 am
Buddhism-proper lays down its core principles as universal guidance for a Life's Problem Solving Technique.
  • 1. NT1 Life problems are inevitable
    2. NT2 which arise from its root causes
    3. NT3 which can be resolved via
    4. NT4 the Noble 8 Folds Path.
The above is an iterative model of continuous improvements.

One of the core principles, i.e. anatta and emptiness, i.e.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatt%C4%81
re no soul,
thus nothing to be reborn.

Buddhism is a very flexible religion and if people [Buddhists] want to believe in rebirth of the soul or part thereof, they can do so, but that is not Buddhism proper.
Buddhism proper is about ending the cycles of reincarnation as cycles of suffering, you cannot seperate buddhism from reincarnation.
Who are you to insist on the above?

Btw, the issue of reincarnation is not related to Buddhism, but rather that is Hinduism.

For Buddhism the issue is 'the question of rebirth' but that is not Buddhism-proper based on the core principles of Buddhism.
False, the Tibetan Book of the Dead, a Buddhist text, addresses reincarnation.
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Re: Buddhism's 4NT-8FP is a Life Problem Solving Technique.

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:16 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:39 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:22 pm
Buddhism proper is about ending the cycles of reincarnation as cycles of suffering, you cannot seperate buddhism from reincarnation.
Who are you to insist on the above?

Btw, the issue of reincarnation is not related to Buddhism, but rather that is Hinduism.

For Buddhism the issue is 'the question of rebirth' but that is not Buddhism-proper based on the core principles of Buddhism.
False, the Tibetan Book of the Dead, a Buddhist text, addresses reincarnation.
There are probably thousands or millions of Buddhist texts.
The Tibetan Book of the Dead where rebirth [not reincarnation] is invoked, that is at the fringes of Buddhism nor the core of Buddhism.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:20 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:16 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:39 am
Who are you to insist on the above?

Btw, the issue of reincarnation is not related to Buddhism, but rather that is Hinduism.

For Buddhism the issue is 'the question of rebirth' but that is not Buddhism-proper based on the core principles of Buddhism.
False, the Tibetan Book of the Dead, a Buddhist text, addresses reincarnation.
There are probably thousands or millions of Buddhist texts.
The Tibetan Book of the Dead where rebirth [not reincarnation] is invoked, that is at the fringes of Buddhism nor the core of Buddhism.
It is a facet of Buddhism which does not contradict the core tenets of Buddhism.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:26 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:20 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:16 pm

False, the Tibetan Book of the Dead, a Buddhist text, addresses reincarnation.
There are probably thousands or millions of Buddhist texts.
The Tibetan Book of the Dead where rebirth [not reincarnation] is invoked, that is at the fringes of Buddhism nor the core of Buddhism.
It is a facet of Buddhism which does not contradict the core tenets of Buddhism.
Show me the argument?
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:08 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:26 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:20 am
There are probably thousands or millions of Buddhist texts.
The Tibetan Book of the Dead where rebirth [not reincarnation] is invoked, that is at the fringes of Buddhism nor the core of Buddhism.
It is a facet of Buddhism which does not contradict the core tenets of Buddhism.
Show me the argument?
Show me first where reincarnation contradicts Buddhism.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:00 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:08 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:26 pm

It is a facet of Buddhism which does not contradict the core tenets of Buddhism.
Show me the argument?
Show me first where reincarnation contradicts Buddhism.
Note anatta and annica are two of the core principles of Buddhism.

In Buddhism, the term anattā (Pali) or anātman (Sanskrit) refers to the doctrine of "non-self" – that there is no unchanging, permanent self, soul, or essence in phenomena.

annica: All physical and mental events are not metaphysically real. They are not constant or permanent; they come into being and dissolve.

If there are no self and nothing is permanent, what is there to reincarnate.

Some Buddhists will claim for reincarnation [rebirth] but that is not in alignment with the core principles of Buddhism.
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TimeSeeker wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:24 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:26 am I don't agree with the Bible
I don't believe you. Are you telling me that there is NOTHING in the Bible you agree with?
He probably didn't mean that there isn't a single sentence in the Bible that he agrees with.

For example, surely there are some facts about Roman politics and such that most people would agree with, such as saying that in the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea. But that's not usually what people are referring to when they say they don't agree with the Bible. Even if they're saying something in the vein of not agreeing with the moral stances expressed in the Bible, they're not going to usually be saying that they don't agree with even a single moral stance on the Bible.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:05 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:00 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:08 am
Show me the argument?
Show me first where reincarnation contradicts Buddhism.
Note anatta and annica are two of the core principles of Buddhism.

In Buddhism, the term anattā (Pali) or anātman (Sanskrit) refers to the doctrine of "non-self" – that there is no unchanging, permanent self, soul, or essence in phenomena.

annica: All physical and mental events are not metaphysically real. They are not constant or permanent; they come into being and dissolve.

If there are no self and nothing is permanent, what is there to reincarnate.

Some Buddhists will claim for reincarnation [rebirth] but that is not in alignment with the core principles of Buddhism.
Reincarnation is the change of the soul to a further state.
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Re: Buddhism's 4NT-8FP is a Life Problem Solving Technique.

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:15 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 23, 2021 7:05 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:00 pm
Show me first where reincarnation contradicts Buddhism.
Note anatta and annica are two of the core principles of Buddhism.

In Buddhism, the term anattā (Pali) or anātman (Sanskrit) refers to the doctrine of "non-self" – that there is no unchanging, permanent self, soul, or essence in phenomena.

annica: All physical and mental events are not metaphysically real. They are not constant or permanent; they come into being and dissolve.

If there are no self and nothing is permanent, what is there to reincarnate.

Some Buddhists will claim for reincarnation [rebirth] but that is not in alignment with the core principles of Buddhism.
Reincarnation is the change of the soul to a further state.
We ordinary humans change our physical state at every nano-second. Thus a change of state is not the issue.

It is rebirth for Buddhism not reincarnation [Hinduism].
In the case of rebirth or even reincarnation, there is a claim of permanence of person-hood whilst the state may change.
In Hinduism is said to be like the 'permanent person' is changing new clothes [new body].

In the Dalai Lama case, it is claimed the person-hood of the previous Dalai Lama exists within the new Dalai Lama which in this case is contrary to the core principles of anatta and annica.
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