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Where is the morality in this?
Woman who complained about noisy mosque jailed for blasphemy
Prosecutors allege she committed blasphemy against Islam by complaining the Muslim call to prayer was being played too loudly near her home
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 01191.html

An Indonesian court has sentenced a Buddhist woman to 18 months in prison for blasphemy after she was accused of insulting Islam.

Meiliana, a 44-year-old ethnic Chinese woman, had complained the Muslim call to prayer, which is repeated five times a day, was being played too loudly at the mosque near her house in North Sumatra.

Prosecutors alleged she had violated the country’s criminal code by committing blasphemy against Islam, the dominant faith in the world’s most populous Muslim nation.

In July 2016, mobs burned and ransacked at least 14 Buddhist temples throughout Tanjung Balai, a port town on Sumatra, following reports of Meiliana’s complaint about a mosque’s noisy loudspeakers.
Apparently it was reported those Muslims who burnt the Buddhist temples were only sentenced to a few months jailed.

What I read further is, Meiliana had only complained to her group of friends but was overhead by some Muslims who then complained to the authorities. She did not complain in Facebook nor put that in writing anywhere.

What is most sickening is the Muslim apologists who cannot see through the evil ethos of Islam per se as reflected in the Quran.

The above is grounded merely on some illusory God which is impossible to be real.
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A more detail report on the above.

The Meiliana Case: How a noise complaint resulted in an 18-month jail sentence
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2018 ... tence.html

Meiliana’s complaint was made on the morning of July 22, 2016 to her neighbor Kasini, who owned a stall near her house. Reports vary on what she actually said — her lawyers claim she merely remarked that the adzan broadcast from the nearby mosque was louder than it used to be, while the legal indictment says she asked Kasini, a Muslim, to tell the mosque caretakers to lower the volume as it hurt her ears.

All parties agree, however, that Meiliana’s initial complaint was only to a single person. Over the next few days, however, her statement became distorted and rumors spread that a Chinese woman wanted to “ban the adzan”.

On the evening of July 29, 2016, a small group of people, including a mosque staff member, went to Meiliana’s house to confirm the truth of her complaint.

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After the group’s confrontation with Meiliana, provocative messages spread like wildfire on social media and messaging applications, with some even claiming the woman had thrown rocks at the mosque and forcefully stopped prayers.

Later that night, an angry mob started to gather in front of the local subdistrict office and went to Meiliana’s house to throw rocks at it. The violence then spread to nearby Buddhist temples.

Fourteen Buddhist temples in Tanjung Balai were burned and ransacked by mobs between the night of July 29 and the morning of July 30, 2016. No fatalities were reported in the incident but damage ran into the billions of rupiah.
The above support my point religion is more about a fundamental psychology which conjures up an illusory God which is impossible to be real, and ending with evil acts like the above.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:56 am Where is the morality in this?
Don't mess with the Muslims.

Loud and clear.

You had to ask?
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-1- wrote: Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:11 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:56 am Where is the morality in this?
Don't mess with the Muslims.

Loud and clear.

You had to ask?
Look like you have resigned and surrendered to that threat from Muslims and TROP?
Note the following [there are many similar ones];
  • 3:151. We [Allah] shall cast terror [R3B: l-ruʿ'ba] into the hearts of those [infidels] who disbelieve because they [infidels] ascribe unto Allah partners [ShRK: ashrakū idols and deities], for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their [infidels] habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong doers [l-ẓālimīna] [infidels].

    8:12. When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying:) I [Allah] am with you. So make those who believe [Muslims] stand firm. I [Allah] will throw fear [R3B: l-ruʿ'ba: terror] into the hearts of those [infidels] who disbelieve. Then smite [DRB: idrib; strike] the necks and smite of them each finger.
The point with critical thinking in Philosophy is we must find out the relevant root causes.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:34 am
  • 3:151. We [Allah] shall cast terror [R3B: l-ruʿ'ba] into the hearts of those [infidels] who disbelieve because they [infidels] ascribe unto Allah partners [ShRK: ashrakū idols and deities], for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their [infidels] habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong doers [l-ẓālimīna] [infidels].

    8:12. When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying:) I [Allah] am with you. So make those who believe [Muslims] stand firm. I [Allah] will throw fear [R3B: l-ruʿ'ba: terror] into the hearts of those [infidels] who disbelieve. Then smite [DRB: idrib; strike] the necks and smite of them each finger.
The point with critical thinking in Philosophy is we must find out the relevant root causes.
This does not apply to Christians or to Jews. There is a complex view by Muslims (as written in the Koran) that Moses and Jesus were forerunners of Muhammad, and they were both prophets; therefore anyone who professes to believe the forerunner prophets is NOT an infidel.

The modern era has ushered in a political climate in which this doctrine has been put to sleep.

Incidentally, this doctrine was put to sleep at a very early age of Islam, when in SW Europe the Arabs and the Christians vied for possessing Spain, and in SE Europe, where the Ottoman Turks ran over the Christian kingdoms there.

Much like the USA touts being a Christian nation, yet it allows, nay, fosters killing innocent people by the hundreds of thousands. Direct contradiction of the commandment "Thou shalt not kill".

The sad truth is that while religion may have and has during all human existence been an ideological justification for war, killing, and assimilation via proselytizing, it has never been the CAUSE of war... wars are caused by diplomatic breakdowns of how to divvy up wealth and livelihood. In other words, wars are caused by greed or else a desperate fight for survival, and religion is a mere ideological tool in aiding war.
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-1- wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2018 7:49 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:34 am
  • 3:151. We [Allah] shall cast terror [R3B: l-ruʿ'ba] into the hearts of those [infidels] who disbelieve because they [infidels] ascribe unto Allah partners [ShRK: ashrakū idols and deities], for which no warrant hath been revealed. Their [infidels] habitation is the Fire, and hapless the abode of the wrong doers [l-ẓālimīna] [infidels].

    8:12. When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying:) I [Allah] am with you. So make those who believe [Muslims] stand firm. I [Allah] will throw fear [R3B: l-ruʿ'ba: terror] into the hearts of those [infidels] who disbelieve. Then smite [DRB: idrib; strike] the necks and smite of them each finger.
The point with critical thinking in Philosophy is we must find out the relevant root causes.
This does not apply to Christians or to Jews. There is a complex view by Muslims (as written in the Koran) that Moses and Jesus were forerunners of Muhammad, and they were both prophets; therefore anyone who professes to believe the forerunner prophets is NOT an infidel.
You are not up to date with TROP and the Quran.
Note Chapter 1 of the Quran which is repeated numerous times [18?] a day by Muslims.
https://www.noblequran.com/translation/
  • 1. In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

    2. All the praises and thanks be to Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists).

    3. The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

    4. The Only Owner (and the Only Ruling Judge) of the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)

    5. You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything).

    6. Guide us to the Straight Way

    7. The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).
The points bolded are in () but they are supported by other verses in the Quran.
The Jews and Christians are heavily condemned and dehumanized in various verses in the Quran for corrupting the Torah and Gospels [Injil]. The are condemned as infidels.
  • 5:51. O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliya' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliya', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers and unjust).
The only Jews and Christian that Allah recognized as true Muslims are those who are the original believers before the Torah an Gospels were corrupted.
There is no more uncorrupted Torah and Gospel at present, so all Jews and Christians at present reading the corrupted Torah and Gospels are to be regarded as infidels.
The modern era has ushered in a political climate in which this doctrine has been put to sleep.

Incidentally, this doctrine was put to sleep at a very early age of Islam, when in SW Europe the Arabs and the Christians vied for possessing Spain, and in SE Europe, where the Ottoman Turks ran over the Christian kingdoms there.

Much like the USA touts being a Christian nation, yet it allows, nay, fosters killing innocent people by the hundreds of thousands. Direct contradiction of the commandment "Thou shalt not kill".
The USA is governed by the US Constitution not the Bible.
The overriding law of Christianity is the pacifist maxim 'Love your enemies.' Christians who killed are not killing in the name of Christianity nor Jesus but are driven by their own personal evil tendencies.
Christians cannot justify their killing by insisting God or Jesus said so.

Muslims on the other hand can justify their killing by quoting the MANY relevant verses from the Quran.
The sad truth is that while religion may have and has during all human existence been an ideological justification for war, killing, and assimilation via proselytizing, it has never been the CAUSE of war... wars are caused by diplomatic breakdowns of how to divvy up wealth and livelihood. In other words, wars are caused by greed or else a desperate fight for survival, and religion is a mere ideological tool in aiding war.
You point seem odd?

Islam is the only religion that has elements that cause wars.
The mission of Islam is to dominate the world and subdue non-Muslims as inferior beings.
In this case, Muslims can resort to wars.
Note this [there are others];
  • 2:216. Warfare [l-qitālu] is ordained [kutiba: prescribed] for you [Muslims], though it is hateful unto you [Muslims]; but it may happen that ye [Muslims] hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.


Not all Muslims will be influenced by the above but if only 10% are inclined by their warrior tendency, there are 150 millions of them around the world. The consequences of the above is so evident now and over the history of Islam civilization.
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In the following Veritas' words are black on white, and my addtions are in red.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:39 amYou are not up to date with TROP and the Quran. Apparently I haven't read the newest edition of a sacred text that does not change, huh?
Note Chapter 1 of the Quran which is repeated numerous times [18?] a day by Muslims.
https://www.noblequran.com/translation/
  • 1. In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

    2. All the praises and thanks be to Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists).

    3. The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

    4. The Only Owner (and the Only Ruling Judge) of the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)

    5. You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything).

    6. Guide us to the Straight Way

    7. The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).
The points bolded are in () but they are supported by other verses in the Quran.
Veritas, you are obviously a very biassed, blood-thirsty Muslim-hater.

You not only cherry pick, but you substitute words into verses where they are not present.

I can't believe the extent of hate-mongering you are partaking in.


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The Jews and Christians are heavily condemned and dehumanized in various verses in the Quran for corrupting the Torah and Gospels [Injil]. The are condemned as infidels.
No, they are not condemned as infidels. Very grave factual error on your part. They are denied the status of auliya. But there is no word at all in this passage or in any other passages, where Christians or Jews are condemned as infidels. You are full of biassed misinterpretation.
  • 5:51. O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliya' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliya', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers and unjust).
This is not heavy condemnation. It is that only in your mind. Your words are nothing; you are trying to propagandize a belief which is false, and is based on anger, your anger. I have much less faith in your righteousness from here onward, due to your showing the white of your teeth: your angry, blind, hatred, which drives you to lie blatantly, and to misquote sacred documents, and to substitute words in sacred texts at your whimsy and in a fashion which supports your views, but has little or nothing to do with the original, unaltered text.


The only Jews and Christian that Allah recognized as true Muslims are those who are the original believers before the Torah an Gospels were corrupted.
There is no more uncorrupted Torah and Gospel at present, so all Jews and Christians at present reading the corrupted Torah and Gospels are to be regarded as infidels.

The USA is governed by the US Constitution not the Bible.

So you are denying that the USA is a Christian nation. One more lie by you.
The sad truth is that while religion may have and has during all human existence been an ideological justification for war, killing, and assimilation via proselytizing, it has never been the CAUSE of war... wars are caused by diplomatic breakdowns of how to divvy up wealth and livelihood. In other words, wars are caused by greed or else a desperate fight for survival, and religion is a mere ideological tool in aiding war.
You point seem odd?

Are you asking me if I point seem odd. Can't you make up your mind?

Islam is the only religion that has elements that cause wars.
The mission of Islam is to dominate the world and subdue non-Muslims as inferior beings.
In this case, Muslims can resort to wars.
Note this [there are others];
  • 2:216. Warfare [l-qitālu] is ordained [kutiba: prescribed] for you [Muslims], though it is hateful unto you [Muslims]; but it may happen that ye [Muslims] hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.


Where do you see the words "war", "subdue others", "non-Muslims are inferior", "dominate the world"? I don't see them, yet you referred to the text as a DIRECT QUOTE TO SUPPORT YOUR FALSE CLAIM.
Basically, Veritas, you are a Muslim-hater. You put words in the Koran that are not there, you SEE words (should I say you struggle with delusions?) that are not there, and you hate people for no good reason at all.

You are paranoid, you have ideation of persecution ("Muslims strive to dominate us"). You have delusions (you draw conclusions form texts that are outrageously false, and you imagine references that are not there). You have probably delusions of thought-broadcasting, and that the TV or radio has special messages just for you.
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-1- wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:07 am In the following Veritas' words are black on white, and my addtions are in red.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:39 amYou are not up to date with TROP and the Quran. Apparently I haven't read the newest edition of a sacret text that does not change, huh?
Note Chapter 1 of the Quran which is repeated numerous times [18?] a day by Muslims.
https://www.noblequran.com/translation/
  • 1. In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

    2. All the praises and thanks be to Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists).

    3. The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

    4. The Only Owner (and the Only Ruling Judge) of the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)

    5. You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything).

    6. Guide us to the Straight Way

    7. The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).
The points bolded are in () but they are supported by other verses in the Quran.
Veritas, you are obviously a very biassed, blood-thirsty Muslim-hater.

You not only cherry pick, but you substitute words into verses where they are not present.

I can't believe the extent of hate-mongering you are partaking in.


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The Jews and Christians are heavily condemned and dehumanized in various verses in the Quran for corrupting the Torah and Gospels [Injil]. The are condemned as infidels.
  • 5:51. O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliya' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliya', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers and unjust).
This is not heavy condemnation. It is that only in your mind. Your words are nothing; you are trying to propagandize a belief which is false, and is based on anger, your anger. I have much less faith in your righteousness from here onward, due to your showing the white of your teeth: your angry, blind, hatred, which drives you to lie blatantly, and to misquote sacred documents, and to substitute words in sacred texts at your whimsy and in a fashion which supports your views, but has little or nothing to do with the original, unaltered text.


The only Jews and Christian that Allah recognized as true Muslims are those who are the original believers before the Torah an Gospels were corrupted.
There is no more uncorrupted Torah and Gospel at present, so all Jews and Christians at present reading the corrupted Torah and Gospels are to be regarded as infidels.

The USA is governed by the US Constitution not the Bible.

So you are denying that the USA is a Christian nation. One more lie by you.
The sad truth is that while religion may have and has during all human existence been an ideological justification for war, killing, and assimilation via proselytizing, it has never been the CAUSE of war... wars are caused by diplomatic breakdowns of how to divvy up wealth and livelihood. In other words, wars are caused by greed or else a desperate fight for survival, and religion is a mere ideological tool in aiding war.
You point seem odd?

Are you asking me if I point seem odd. Can't you make up your mind?

Islam is the only religion that has elements that cause wars.
The mission of Islam is to dominate the world and subdue non-Muslims as inferior beings.
In this case, Muslims can resort to wars.
Note this [there are others];
  • 2:216. Warfare [l-qitālu] is ordained [kutiba: prescribed] for you [Muslims], though it is hateful unto you [Muslims]; but it may happen that ye [Muslims] hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.


Where do you see the words "war", "subdue others", "non-Muslims are inferior", "dominate the world"? I don't see them, yet you referred to the text as a DIRECT QUOTE TO SUPPORT YOUR FALSE CLAIM.
Basically, Veritas, you are a Muslim-hater. You put words in the Koran that are not there, you SEE words (should I say you struggle with delusions?) that are not there, and you hate people for no good reason at all.

You are paranoid, you have ideation of persecution ("Muslims strive to dominate us"). You have delusions (you draw conclusions form texts that are outrageously false, and you imagine references that are not there). You have probably delusions of thought-broadcasting, and that the TV or radio has special messages just for you.
I think you are having some problem.

I did not include those words in ().
They are from the link, just click the link, then click Chapter 1 and verify it yourself.
https://www.noblequran.com/translation/

Don't be lazy, irresponsible and making false accusations based on stupidity.
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-1- wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:07 am Veritas, you are obviously a very biassed, blood-thirsty Muslim-hater.

You not only cherry pick, but you substitute words into verses where they are not present.

I can't believe the extent of hate-mongering you are partaking in.
This is another stupid accusation of yours and being very paranoid.

Note I raise this thread.

Do Not Blame Muslims!
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24842

Click and read it, don't be lazy.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:14 am

I did not include those words in (). You mean those are in the original verses? I demand a reply to this.
They are from the link, just click the link and verify it yourself.
https://www.noblequran.com/translation/

Don't be lazy, irresponsible and making false accusations based on stupidity.
Try to concentrate on other parts of the passage.

I have been editing MY post, without of course altering your text. You replied very quickly, and I don't fault you for THAT, but please do go back to my critical post of your post.

This is unfortunate that you replied while I was still editing my post, but like I said, I can't fault you for that.

However, the things I claim in my text I stand behind.

As to your weak and meek defence of sayign "I did not include those words in ()" you are still referring to text attributed to the Koran, but not in the Koran.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:56 am
The above is grounded merely on some illusory God which is impossible to be real.
Who claims the impossiblity of God?.... THIS?

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-1- wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:21 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:14 am

I did not include those words in (). You mean those are in the original verses? I demand a reply to this.
They are from the link, just click the link and verify it yourself.
https://www.noblequran.com/translation/

Don't be lazy, irresponsible and making false accusations based on stupidity.
Try to concentrate on other parts of the passage.

I have been editing MY post, without of course altering your text. You replied very quickly, and I don't fault you for THAT, but please do go back to my critical post of your post.

This is unfortunate that you replied while I was still editing my post, but like I said, I can't fault you for that.

However, the things I claim in my text I stand behind.

As to your weak and meek defence of sayign "I did not include those words in ()" you are still referring to text attributed to the Koran, but not in the Koran.
You are the one who is paranoid.
While I am merely presenting arguments you jumped in like a very mad person and start making baseless accusations. Something is very wrong with you.

God commanded the Quran is immutable and no one can change the words of Allah and Muslims will not dare to do so.
Where words are put in () or [] they are merely explanatory notes which are supported elsewhere in the Quran. No one would claim those words in () or [] are God's words.
It is very common for translators to add commentary notes in () and [] which they will mentioned in their Preface, what is so wrong with that?

The Quran that I quoted with notes in () is a very popular and endorsed by the Saudi Goverment.
https://www.noblequran.com/translation/

If you keep making paranoid accusations I will not be responding to your posts anymore!
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Islam is the only religion that has elements that cause wars.
The mission of Islam is to dominate the world and subdue non-Muslims as inferior beings.


In this case, Muslims can resort to wars.
Note this [there are others];
  • 2:216. Warfare [l-qitālu] is ordained [kutiba: prescribed] for you [Muslims], though it is hateful unto you [Muslims]; but it may happen that ye [Muslims] hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.
Where do you see the words "war", "subdue others", "non-Muslims are inferior", "dominate the world"? I don't see them, yet you referred to the text as a DIRECT QUOTE TO SUPPORT YOUR FALSE CLAIM.
Where did I 'referred to the text as a DIRECT QUOTE TO SUPPORT YOUR FALSE CLAIM."
You have a comprehension problem and jumped to conclusion too quickly.

The statement in blue are general statement.
I have not provided any quranic verses to support them.
There is nothing wrong in making statements which are unsubstantiated.
If you do not agree just don't agree with them and you obviously can ask for evidence to support the point.

Then I stated Muslims can resort to wars and I supported that statement with 2:216.


Your insistence that the US is a Christian Nation is a very stupid point.
Note this argument;
Is America A Christian Nation?
https://www.au.org/resources/publicatio ... ian-nation
Religious Right groups and their allies insist that the United States was designed to be officially Christian and that our laws should enforce the doctrines of (their version of) Christianity.
Is this viewpoint accurate? Is there anything in the Constitution that gives special treatment or preference to Christianity?
Did the founders of our government believe this or intend to create a government that gave special recognition to Christianity?

The answer to all of these questions is no.
The U.S. Constitution is a wholly secular document.
It contains no mention of Christianity or Jesus Christ. In fact, the Constitution refers to religion only twice in the First Amendment, which bars laws "respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," and in Article VI, which prohibits "religious tests" for public office. Both of these provisions are evidence that the country was not founded as officially Christian.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:42 am
Islam is the only religion that has elements that cause wars.
The mission of Islam is to dominate the world and subdue non-Muslims as inferior beings.


In this case, Muslims can resort to wars.
Note this [there are others];
  • 2:216. Warfare [l-qitālu] is ordained [kutiba: prescribed] for you [Muslims], though it is hateful unto you [Muslims]; but it may happen that ye [Muslims] hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.
Where do you see the words "war", "subdue others", "non-Muslims are inferior", "dominate the world"? I don't see them, yet you referred to the text as a DIRECT QUOTE TO SUPPORT YOUR FALSE CLAIM.
Where did I 'referred to the text as a DIRECT QUOTE TO SUPPORT YOUR FALSE CLAIM."
You have a comprehension problem and jumped to conclusion too quickly.

The statement in blue are general statement.
I have not provided any quranic verses to support them.
There is nothing wrong in making statements which are unsubstantiated.
If you do not agree just don't agree with them and you obviously can ask for evidence to support the point.

Then I stated Muslims can resort to wars and I supported that statement with 2:216.


Your insistence that the US is a Christian Nation is a very stupid point.
Note this argument;
Is America A Christian Nation?
https://www.au.org/resources/publicatio ... ian-nation
Religious Right groups and their allies insist that the United States was designed to be officially Christian and that our laws should enforce the doctrines of (their version of) Christianity.
Is this viewpoint accurate? Is there anything in the Constitution that gives special treatment or preference to Christianity?
Did the founders of our government believe this or intend to create a government that gave special recognition to Christianity?

The answer to all of these questions is no.
The U.S. Constitution is a wholly secular document.
It contains no mention of Christianity or Jesus Christ. In fact, the Constitution refers to religion only twice in the First Amendment, which bars laws "respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," and in Article VI, which prohibits "religious tests" for public office. Both of these provisions are evidence that the country was not founded as officially Christian.
The Constitution is a method of governance intended to maintain a philosophy of living.

The Declaration of Independence explains the philosophy, long-term and short-term.

Thomas Jefferson wrote it.

Wiki quotes Jefferson:
“He considered the teachings of Jesus as having ‘the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man,...’"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious ... _Jefferson

The DOI doesn’t get much mention, although it is the measure against which the Constitution is interpreted. (However, only rationality and common sense require this measure, not written law.)

Quirk often takes note that the intended philosophy of the country isn't called The Declaration of Communality.

("ever been offered to man ...", and who makes this offering?
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Re: 18 Months Jail for Complaining Prayers Too Loud

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They probably were too loud. Yeah, go ahead and charge me in absentia, Indonesia.:twisted:
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