Hinduism is far superior to Christianity and Islam?

[Averroes]

Generally and conservatively approximately 20% of ALL people are born with an active evil tendency. [this need to be discussed and 'evil' need to be defined if you do not agree]

Yes, I want to discuss about that. Give me the evidence of the statistical study which has been conducted which shows that “20% of ALL people are born with an active evil tendency.” Which statistical organization has conducted this statistical study? Where are those statistics reported?

You complained of spoon-feeding.
Now who asking to be spoon-fed?

You cannot spoon feed me because, in addition to being too lazy, you are also too ignorant. You made some claims about some statistics which is nowhere to be found and I told you to back these claims with some factual evidence and you still have not done that!

I told you to bring statistical evidence for your claim that “20% of ALL people are born with an active evil tendency,” and you gave me statistics about grown-up adults lying and taking bribes!! Are you that stupid that you cannot understand plain simple English? The claim you previously made did not mention grown-up adults, but babies! You claimed that "20% of ALL people are born with an active evil tendency." So again, give it another try: can you back with statistical evidence your claim that "20% of ALL people are born with an active evil tendency?" Don’t give me results about grown-up adults. Give me results about babies. People are not born grown-up adults! What kind of stupid and ignorant person are you?

Note I mentioned very specifically 'conservatively' and 'approximately' 20% of ALL people are born with an active tendency to commit evil acts.
The above statistics [60% lying, 31% bribery] prove my point.

The above statistics prove nothing except your stupidity, but that we already knew and need not be proved anymore! Instead prove with statistical evidence that "20% of all people are born with an acive evil tendency." I’ll be waiting for that. I am not in a hurry, so you can take your time.

[Averroes]

Repeated material again! You keep repeating the same material over and over again that one can skim through much of your posts as there is nothing new to learn from them. As I have said before and can be witnessed by everyone here, philosophizing is exacerbating your unattended existential depression and now you have reached the stage of obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD).

For those who are here just reading passively you might be interested to check what is obsessive-compulsive disorder from the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) of the US here: https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/ ... ndex.shtml

The article says:

• Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) is a common, chronic and long-lasting disorder in which a person has uncontrollable, reoccurring thoughts (obsessions) and behaviors (compulsions) that he or she feels the urge to repeat over and over.

This is a serious disease which impairs the normal functioning of an individual in society and for which I highly advise to seek professional help

This is one of the most stupid inference and bad unsound logic I have come across.

• One feature of OCD is repetition,
  X made repetition,
  Therefore X suffers from OCD.

What you missed out in your unsound logic is context.

You should learn about logic then. And also learn some English vocabulary as you are at it. What you missed out is having a brain. And yet again I am having to spoon feed you some common knowledge! And again it will be demonstrated that your ignorance and stupidity knows no depth.

NIMH : Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) is a common, chronic and long-lasting disorder in which a person has uncontrollable, reoccurring thoughts (obsessions) and behaviors (compulsions) that he or she feels the urge to repeat over and over.


Here one should pay attention to the two conditions mentioned in the definition of OCD. There is both a mental and a behavioral condition.

Argument rephrasing:

1. The characteristic symptoms of OCD sufferers is their uncontrollable reoccurring thoughts (obsessions) and urge/compulsion to repeat over and over again certain behaviors.
2. X has been repeatedly observed to have uncontrollable reoccurring obsessions and urges/compulsions to repeat over and over again the same thing.
3. Therefore X is highly likely to suffer from OCD.

The above is the correct rephrasing of my argument, and not the one you gave. If you intend to talk about logic with me again in the future, then be precise.

The above is known as inductive logic. Inductive logic/reasoning is the cornerstone/foundation of the scientific method.

From Wikipedia:
Inductive reasoning (as opposed to deductive reasoning or abductive reasoning) is a method of reasoning in which the premises are viewed as supplying some evidence for the truth of the conclusion. While the conclusion of a deductive argument is certain, the truth of the conclusion of an inductive argument may be probable, based upon the evidence given. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_reasoning

Psychiatry and psychology are based on the scientific method and hence inductive logic is an essential part of these fields. The same goes for physics, chemistry, biology and all the natural sciences derived from these.

What you quoted Hamza Tzortzis to be describing is the deductive Aristotelian logical fallacy of the undistributed middle. Nowadays, we no longer use Aristotelian logic but the later has been superseded by the more powerful modern Frege-Russell logic, which is more commonly known as mathematical logic. In mathematics, use is made of the analytic/deductive method, and in science, we use the synthetic/inductive method. The inductive method is indeed deductively fallacious, but in turn, the deductive method does not and cannot produce new knowledge! Each kind of logic has its range of application. They are different tools available at our disposal. Sometimes we need a hammer, and at other times we need a measuring tape. A ruler is not suitable for hammering and a hammer is not suitable for measuring. And science has been quite successful and has achieved quite a lot with the inductive method that it will not be wise for someone nowadays to put in doubt the effectiveness and usefulness of the inductive method just because it is deductively fallacious. Mathematicians do mathematics and scientists (including psychiatrists of course) do science, and that keeps everyone happy, at least apart from those who are chronically existentially depressed!

I will repeat again, repetition is one of the most critical strategy to facilitate communication and the improvement of skills.

Of course, you will repeat yourself, we already know about it! That’s what sufferers of OCD do, they have uncontrollable urges to repeat over and over again the same thing. That condition requires special medical assistance.

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Does a sport person has OCD when he has to repeat a move or technique a thousand in a day or a million times in a month.
That you [as a Muslims] have to pray the same thing five times a day and perhaps think of Allah every second a case of OCD? Do ALL Muslims has OCD or Allah induces OCDs?

Very good questions! Now, pay attention to how I reply to these questions by investigating and thinking on the materials that were already at your disposal when you asked those questions! This is again a demonstration of how a serious thinker works, i.e. we research and think, and do not beg!

Recall the definition of OCD from the NIMH: Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) is a common, chronic and long-lasting disorder in which a person has uncontrollable, reoccurring thoughts (obsessions) and behaviors (compulsions) that he or she feels the urge to repeat over and over.

There are two elements in OCD diagnosis, one is mental and the other is behavioral. On the NIMH link that I already gave, the concepts of “obsession” and “compulsion” are further explained thus:

Obsessions are repeated thoughts, urges, or mental images that cause anxiety.

Compulsions are repetitive behaviors that a person with OCD feels the urge to do in response to an obsessive thought.

Site: https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/ ... ndex.shtml

Here we note two things from these definitions:
1. The obsessions are thoughts that cause anxiety.
2. The compulsion is a response to try to alleviate the obsessive thought.

From these, we deduce that the obsession causes anxiety and triggers the compulsive behavior.

It is also said on the NIMH site the following:

Not all rituals or habits are compulsions. Everyone double checks things sometimes. But a person with OCD generally:

Can't control his or her thoughts or behaviors, even when those thoughts or behaviors are recognized as excessive.
Spends at least 1 hour a day on these thoughts or behaviors.
Doesn’t get pleasure when performing the behaviors or rituals, but may feel brief relief from the anxiety the thoughts cause.
Experiences significant problems in their daily life due to these thoughts or behaviors.

So having gathered all these scientific definitions and facts, I can answer your questions.

Question 1: Does a sport person has OCD when he has to repeat a move or technique a thousand in a day or a million times in a month?

It depends. Nowadays some sports person are into drugs and dangerous and illegal performance enhancement substances, so for these people it might require further investigation to give an accurate diagnostic. But in general I would say no, sports person do not fulfill the requirements of OCD sufferers. For example, I myself have done some sports and I always derived great pleasure doing those sports. And many sports person when they train, their repeated behaviors are not triggered by anxiety or obsessive thoughts that causes anxiety, but rather these sports person are motivated by positive thoughts such as winning a competition or some prize money or staying or getting in good shape. And also, sports person in general experience less problems in their daily lives than non-sports persons. This is explained by the fact that regular sports in general contribute to both mental and physical well-being and health. So it is abundantly clear that sports person do not fit into the category of OCD sufferers.


Question 2: That you [as a Muslims] have to pray the same thing five times a day and perhaps think of Allah every second a case of OCD? Do ALL Muslims has OCD or Allah induces OCDs?

Praying five times a day in Islam according to the tradition of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is called salaat. And remembering Allah, the Most Compassionate through invoking His names or glorifying or thanking Him is called Zikrullah, meaning remembrance of Allah.

So, can salaat five times a day, and constant Zikrullah fall into the category of OCD? The answer is again no. And this is obvious and agreed by both of us already. Both of us have already agreed with the Quranic statement that: Indeed in the remembrance of Allah the hearts find satisfaction. You have already said the belief in God, the Almighty is the “most effective means” against the existential depression. Moreover, according to you there is nothing more effective against the existential depression than belief in God, the Almighty. So that's it! Recall from NIMH site, the essential characteristic of OCD sufferers are obsessions and compulsions, and obsessions are defined as thoughts that cause anxiety.

Since belief and remembrance in Allah, the Most Merciful is the “most effective means” (according to you yourself) against depression and anxiety and also gives great satisfaction, it cannot be called an obsession. In fact, belief in Allah and remembrance of Allah, the Almighty is the best remedy against anxiety and depression, according to you yourself.

And recall also that compulsions were defined as behavioral patterns than a person cannot control but feel an urge(compulsion) to accomplish. And they do not get pleasure when such is accomplished. Whereas in salaat (Islamic prayer) and Zikrullah (remembrance of Allah), this is the complete opposite. For in Islam there is no compulsion in religion (suran 2 verse 256 in Quran) and when Muslims perform salaat and Zikrullah, there is a great satisfaction that they experience in their hearts and throughout their whole being.

So to conclude this part with a positive note for both of us, the following has been established:

1. Your are an existentially depressed individual.
2. Your existential depression is also chronic and has developed into an OCD.
3. Your OCD is painful to you, and you already know and accept that belief in God, the Almighty is the best remedy against the psychological disease that you have.

I leave it up to you now to decide where you want to go from here.
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[Averroes]

Re the bold, you are lying! That is an evil act.
Where did I ask you for help to get salvation.

Rather than lying, I prefer thinking. The latter is much more productive than the former, you should try it sometimes! You did criticize me unwarrantedly when you thought that I was seeking only my own salvation and not taking care of yours and the rest of humanity. You asked for help here:

The above reveal your very selfishness in only taking care of your own personal salvation rather than that of the human species and humanity into the future.

From my point of view, that’s definitely a cry for help. You said that on the 29th of August 2018. And now we are in the future with respect to that date, and I am still offering my help for your salvation if only you would accept.

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You did not mention 'the fact that one day, we are all going to die' in this posting.

I did mention this fact by quoting verse 185 of surah 3 of Holy Quran. Check it again, but here is the quotation again:

Allah, the All-Knowing says in the Holy Quran, interpretation of meaning:

• Every soul will taste death, and you will be paid your reward in full only on the Day of Resurrection. Then whoever is drawn away from the Fire and admitted to Paradise, then surely he is successful. And the life of this world is nothing but enjoyment of delusion. [Quran 3:185]

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This existential desperation in theists is so strong that they are willing to do anything their God command them to do, including killing one's own son like Abraham.
This the same existential desperation that compels SOME* evil prone Muslims to be inspired and kill and commit terrible evil acts on non-Muslims as a divine duty in compliance with the evil ideology of Allah in the Quran [& Ahadith].
* note 'SOME' i.e. conservatively 20% is 300 million [need refinement] evil prone Muslims around the world. Even if 1% that is 15 million!!

Repeated material.

That is to support my critical point on why Islam [a major part] is such a threat to humanity to the extent SOME Muslims could even exterminate the human species.

Repeated material.

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I specified 'basic' in my post earlier.
I did not claim to have mastered written or spoken Arabic.
'Basic' in this sense meant I have understood the basic linguistic principles and structures of the Arabic language which is more critical than being able to write, read and speak Arabic.

So you do not know and understand spoken and written basic Arabic, but you understand “the basic linguistic principles and structures of the Arabic language”!! Alright. So, please rewatch the video and tell me everything “basic” and “critical” about the Arabic language that you could understand from the video. Tell me about it all. You have spent three years learning “full-time”, don’t tell me there is nothing “basic” that you can understand from the video! Take your time, I am in no hurry. Here it is again:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LXS5jXjXTQ

Often Muslims will claim those who do not understand Arabic will not be able to understand the Quran from translations.
I have acquired sufficient basic linguistic knowledge to counter any weaknesses of totally ignorant of Arabic.

Good. Then we can discuss Quranic Arabic as from now. The above video is addressing Quranic Arabic, let us discuss it. There are many other such videos that we can discuss as you now know Quranic Arabic.
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Besides there are no incident of stupid Mahayana monks mentioning these verses to justify any killing.

There were and still are a lot. You should learn about history, I can’t keep spoon feeding you every bit of common knowledge. This is a philosophy forum site and not a daycare center!

You are trying to escape your intellectual responsibility by giving silly excuses.
I am certain there are none. I insist you produce evidence where Mahayana monks had mentioned those verses to justify any killing.

If you insist, then that is a completely different matter! But you will have to be patient. One thing at a time, let us finish this discussion that we are currently engaged in and when that done, we, or rather I can attack another subject! Don’t worry, if death does not come to meet either of us in the meantime then if Allah wills I will provide you the references. There is a lot to talk about here. I have a lot of scholarly materials on the subject. Remember that I sweat and do not beg, unlike you. So you will have to be patient otherwise you can stop being a lazy parasite and start making your own research.

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If you understand human nature, you will note that there will be people of other religions converting to Islam and vice-versa for various [tons] of reasons.

Indeed, many people are converting to Islam as you already know. In fact, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. And demographers (i.e. statisticians) forecast that by 2050-2070, Islam will be predominant religion in the world by numbers of adherents to the faith, displacing Christianity. A lot of people are converting to Islam, more than to any other religion and these are statistical facts.

Yes, there are evidence of growth for Islam.
But this is heavily explained by the point, the critical factor for the growth is due to birth

Good, we are agreeing again. Indeed, Muslims are blessed with many children in contrast to the West where there is the problem of low fertility rate which will have long-term dramatic consequences for the West. The replacement rate for the West, in general, is well below the required bare minimum of 2.1 to maintain the population and this will have far-reaching consequences in the future according to the specialist in this field. Actually, across the EU, the average fertility rate is about 1.6, well below the bare minimum of 2.1 to avoid population decline. This, however, is not restricted to the West, but Russia (1.47) and China (1.57) as well have the same problems. You can read the statistical report on the subject here: https://www.ft.com/content/d54e4fe8-326 ... cb17fd1498

But here again, I remark that converts to Islam do also, in turn, have a lot of children! And that is also significantly contributing to the expansion of Islam. So conversion is indeed a factor to be considered in the expansion of Islam. In fact, to understand the importance of this we need only consider that nowadays the majority of Muslims are themselves descendants of converts!! Indeed, Arabs nowadays are a minority in Islam. The majority of Muslims nowadays are converts or descendants of converts from Asia, which were formally Buddhists and/or Hindus. And if Allah wills, this trend will continue to increase in the future. Already, western demographers themselves have accepted this as a fact. And it does not seem the situation is going to get any better for either the west or Russia or China as their women just do not want to give birth to the required number of children to prevent their population from declining, even though the governments of these nations have in the recent past been providing a lot of incentives for married couples to have more children. So, the future of humanity is on the shoulders of the Islamic world, at least this is what the statistics imply. I like statistics!

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It was claimed that the Odd-Even pattern in the Holy Quran was "debunked" thus:

Those who claim to see patterns, mathematical or otherwise are merely wishful thinking and they will twist the verses and even delete some verses to align with their confirmation bias. Note

Debunking the odd-even mathematical miracle in the Qur’an
https://quranspotlight.wordpress.com/ar ... -debunked/

The Debunker has in turn been decisively debunked philosophically and mathematically here:http://philosophyforum.aba.ae/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=368

This is the same fallacy as propounded by Hamza Andreas Tzortzis regarding scientific miracles in the Quran.

The fallacy that you quoted Hamza Tzortzis mentioning was the Aristotelian deductive logical fallacy of the undistributed middle. If you had some intelligence, you would have remarked that science itself is deductively fallacious. Science is founded on the inductive method, and the latter is known and accepted by every intelligent human being on the planet to be deductively fallacious! For if we were then to be consistent in following only deductive reasoning then ALL scientific laws themselves should be rejected! But we clearly do not and cannot do that. What we do instead is that we condition the use of the inductive method by specifying certain criteria for its correct application. But again if you are saying that we should reject science because it is deductively fallacious, then do tell us what you intend to substitute it with?

Anyway, the debunking posts of mine might well be beyond your level of competence given that you are having great difficulties with basic logic itself while these debunking posts of mine require more advanced skills than basic logic! I just remark that I did not address those debunking posts of mine to you specifically! It was intended for every member of the forum who could understand the elaborate mathematical and programming concepts contained therein. I know there are many mathematicians and computer scientists on the forum as I got the opportunity to exchange with many of them before, so in case they might be interested it was addressed to such type of people. It was members like these that I had in mind when writing those debunking posts.

If you want some information about what I wrote in the debunking, then I can explain certain basics to you. So, it was a basic implementation of standard inferential statistics with computer simulation. Because of the inferential statistics, the inductive method is explicit. And this is a very common practice in computer science. And moreover, much more elaborate forms of such statistical concepts are the core principles behind many Artificial Intelligence algorithms being implemented nowadays.
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If anyone has any other question about the subject matter of my analysis in debunking the debunker, then feel free to ask. So again Debunking the debunker, mathematical analysis of the Holy Quran:http://philosophyforum.aba.ae/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=368
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[Veritas Aequitas]

Yes, I want to discuss about that. Give me the evidence of the statistical study which has been conducted which shows that “20% of ALL people are born with an active evil tendency.” Which statistical organization has conducted this statistical study? Where are those statistics reported?

You complained of spoon-feeding.
Now who asking to be spoon-fed?

You cannot spoon feed me because, in addition to being too lazy, you are also too ignorant. You made some claims about some statistics which is nowhere to be found and I told you to back these claims with some factual evidence and you still have not done that!

I told you to bring statistical evidence for your claim that “20% of ALL people are born with an active evil tendency,” and you gave me statistics about grown-up adults lying and taking bribes!! Are you that stupid that you cannot understand plain simple English? The claim you previously made did not mention grown-up adults, but babies! You claimed that "20% of ALL people are born with an active evil tendency." So again, give it another try: can you back with statistical evidence your claim that "20% of ALL people are born with an active evil tendency?" Don’t give me results about grown-up adults. Give me results about babies. People are not born grown-up adults! What kind of stupid and ignorant person are you?

Note I mentioned very specifically 'conservatively' and 'approximately' 20% of ALL people are born with an active tendency to commit evil acts.
The above statistics [60% lying, 31% bribery] prove my point.

The above statistics prove nothing except your stupidity, but that we already knew and need not be proved anymore! Instead prove with statistical evidence that "20% of all people are born with an acive evil tendency." I’ll be waiting for that. I am not in a hurry, so you can take your time.

Note,
People born with an active evil tendency will likely to commit evil acts.
60% and 31% of all people commit evil acts [evidenced]
Therefore there is at least 20% of all people who were born with an active evil tendency.

Don’t give me results about grown-up adults. Give me results about babies. People are not born grown-up adults! What kind of stupid and ignorant person are you?

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Isn't it obvious?
All adults were babies when they were born?
I had stated DNA wise all human has the potential to commit evil acts.
But conservatively 20% of ALL people were born with an active evil tendency, i.e. where their inherent evil potential were triggered to be active at birth.
This is a question of nature versus nature.

Note, in my earlier point I have included a reservation in [] (read again) if you have doubts on this point.

Generally and conservatively approximately 20% of ALL people are born with an active evil tendency. [this need to be discussed and 'evil' need to be defined if you do not agree]

If 20% are born with an active evil tendency, we will have 300 millions Muslims [20% of 1.5 b] with inborn evil tendencies around the world exposed to the evil elements in the Quran.
To refine the effectiveness of the point we have to ignore babies, toddlers who are not likely to commit evils and violence.
We also have to discount big percentage of females and the very elderly who are not likely to carry out violence even though they may have an inherent active evil tendencies.

Now if we reduce the 300 million born with an active evil tendency to say 50%, we will still have 150 millions. Even if we discount that to 90% we still have 30 million evil prone Muslim around the world.
Note even a lone-wolf evil prone Muslims can commit terrible evils and violence that has significant damage.
Therefore 150 million to 30 million of active evil prone Muslims exposed to the evil laden elements is a very serious threat to humanity, more when WMDs [nukes, biological] are getting easier and cheaper to access.

The above point is supported by real evidences of terrible evil acts and violence committed by evil prone Muslims on non-Muslims as a divine duty to please Allah and gain advantage in going to Paradise with eternal life.

Note I have not yet mention, a certain % who were not born with an active evil tendency are deceived and inspired by Islam to commit terrible evils and violence during their adult life.
This is so obvious, we hear of many cases where Muslims who were very well behaved goody-two-shoes all their life suddenly turned out to be suicide bombers and killers of non-Muslims out of the blue and surprised their parent, siblings, relatives and friends who had known them to be good people all their life until they got serious with Islam.
This is a clear cut case of a religion [Islam in this case] inducing [via fear] good innocent people to turn evil.

I am tempted to counter your pejorative and derogatory condemnations of me in your postings. It is not difficult for me to fight back but that will spiral into more personal attacks and spoil the serious discussion.

I suggest you stick to serious discussions and arguments rather than cheap personal attacks.
I can understand your inclination towards personal attacks as this is an example condoned in the Quran where non-Muslims are condemned and dehumanized as swines, apes, asses, the worst creatures, etc.

Also when you go into personal attack, it is a sure sign of your subconscious is realizing you are losing the argument thus has to resort to verbal violence just like your Allah is doing in the Quran. I will not be surprised if you threaten to kill me [for countering Islam's evil elements].

The above points are the reasons why Islam is overall inferior to all other religions.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Here I would suggest that you research the subject matter before you write about it, otherwise your ignorance will be exposed as was the case here!

This is a very immature view.
As I had stated, it was not a serious point for view to warrant detailed research.

That is only your opinion. I disagree. The depression of Kierkegaard was indeed very important and had to be researched. But as you are lazy, you find all kinds of lame excuses so as not to sweat.

I did not expect you to that thick in your ability to understand the point.
Earlier I had not read of Kierkegaard's depression, since you mentioned and I have counter-checked and I agreed with the point.
In this case why should I need to research in detail if there is no further doubt on my part.

Me Begging??

Indeed, you beg continually. But we already understood that that is just in your traditions and customs since Buddhism prescribes its strict adherents to beg for a living when they could be earning an honest living through hard work.

Show me evidence I have begged continuously?

Where in the Buddhist sutras did the Buddha encouraged Buddhists to beg?
The Buddha denounced asceticism and begging.

It is only the monks who has to rely on the charity of others because of their focus on retaining and sustaining the teaching full time. I don't agree with this but understand this is only a temporary in certain circumstances but this will change in the future with new advancing technology where we do have to rely on too much tedious brain efforts.

In contrast note, the immutable and eternal forcing of payment of Zakat on every Muslims based on fear of the wrath of Allah and the threat of Hell. What kind of f moral is this?

[Veritas Aequitas]

There are two elements in OCD diagnosis, one is mental and the other is behavioral. On the NIMH link that I already gave, the concepts of “obsession” and “compulsion” are further explained thus:

Obsessions are repeated thoughts, urges, or mental images that cause anxiety.

Compulsions are repetitive behaviors that a person with OCD feels the urge to do in response to an obsessive thought.

Site: https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/ ... ndex.shtml

Here we note two things from these definitions:
1. The obsessions are thoughts that cause anxiety.
2. The compulsion is a response to try to alleviate the obsessive thought.

From these, we deduce that the obsession causes anxiety and triggers the compulsive behavior.

It is also said on the NIMH site the following:

Not all rituals or habits are compulsions. Everyone double checks things sometimes. But a person with OCD generally:

Can't control his or her thoughts or behaviors, even when those thoughts or behaviors are recognized as excessive.
Spends at least 1 hour a day on these thoughts or behaviors.
Doesn’t get pleasure when performing the behaviors or rituals, but may feel brief relief from the anxiety the thoughts cause.
Experiences significant problems in their daily life due to these thoughts or behaviors.

Question 2: That you [as a Muslims] have to pray the same thing five times a day and perhaps think of Allah every second a case of OCD? Do ALL Muslims has OCD or Allah induces OCDs?

Praying five times a day in Islam according to the tradition of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is called salaat. And remembering Allah, the Most Compassionate through invoking His names or glorifying or thanking Him is called Zikrullah, meaning remembrance of Allah.

So, can salaat five times a day, and constant Zikrullah fall into the category of OCD? The answer is again no. And this is obvious and agreed by both of us already. Both of us have already agreed with the Quranic statement that: Indeed in the remembrance of Allah the hearts find satisfaction. You have already said the belief in God, the Almighty is the “most effective means” against the existential depression. Moreover, according to you there is nothing more effective against the existential depression than belief in God, the Almighty. So that's it! Recall from NIMH site, the essential characteristic of OCD sufferers are obsessions and compulsions, and obsessions are defined as thoughts that cause anxiety.

Since belief and remembrance in Allah, the Most Merciful is the “most effective means” (according to you yourself) against depression and anxiety and also gives great satisfaction, it cannot be called an obsession. In fact, belief in Allah and remembrance of Allah, the Almighty is the best remedy against anxiety and depression, according to you yourself.

And recall also that compulsions were defined as behavioral patterns than a person cannot control but feel an urge(compulsion) to accomplish. And they do not get pleasure when such is accomplished. Whereas in salaat (Islamic prayer) and Zikrullah (remembrance of Allah), this is the complete opposite. For in Islam there is no compulsion in religion (suran 2 verse 256 in Quran) and when Muslims perform salaat and Zikrullah, there is a great satisfaction that they experience in their hearts and throughout their whole being.

So to conclude this part with a positive note for both of us, the following has been established:

1. Your are an existentially depressed individual.
2. Your existential depression is also chronic and has developed into an OCD.
3. Your OCD is painful to you, and you already know and accept that belief in God, the Almighty is the best remedy against the psychological disease that you have.

I leave it up to you now to decide where you want to go from here.
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I admit to repetition as an when necessary which is relevant to any points raised in a post. This is a very common thing with most people.
I have to repeat the definition of 'evil' many times because people like Immanuel Can kept denying I have not defined evil when I have done so.

Note there are tons of research and articles of the importance of repetition in learning and communication, e.g.

The Importance of Repetition in Learning
http://www.proctorgallagherinstitute.co ... n-learning

This is a forum that involves communication and learning.

I am aware of a psychiatric problem in relation to repetition and OCD and I am very well aware of that.

Btw, why are you "repeating" so blindly and aggressively on the concept of OCD from NIMH as above and repetitively making the wrong accusations against me?


However, in the above case, you are revealing yourself as having real OCD.

The question to you is;
Can you give up praying 5 times a day without feeling guilty and feel with anxieties of the wrath of God?
If you cannot give it up but feel relieved psychologically when you have done your prayers 5 times a day, then you are suffering from real OCD as defined above.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Re the bold, you are lying! That is an evil act.
Where did I ask you for help to get salvation.

Rather than lying, I prefer thinking. The latter is much more productive than the former, you should try it sometimes! You did criticize me unwarrantedly when you thought that I was seeking only my own salvation and not taking care of yours and the rest of humanity. You asked for help here:

The above reveal your very selfishness in only taking care of your own personal salvation rather than that of the human species and humanity into the future.

From my point of view, that’s definitely a cry for help. You said that on the 29th of August 2018. And now we are in the future with respect to that date, and I am still offering my help for your salvation if only you would accept.

This is one of the most craziest misinterpretation of views I have come across.

My salvation??

Note the Principle of Charity.
In the first place it is obvious I am not-a-theist and had critiqued the concept of salvation via God for eternal life in paradise. Why should I be interested in salvation?
The above imply you are selfish in clinging to your own personal salvation at the expense of the well being of the human species and humanity.
In this case, your personal salvation comes first even if the idea of God lead others to commit terrible evils and violence in the name of God.

This existential desperation in theists is so strong that they are willing to do anything their God command them to do, including killing one's own son like Abraham.
This the same existential desperation that compels SOME* evil prone Muslims to be inspired and kill and commit terrible evil acts on non-Muslims as a divine duty in compliance with the evil ideology of Allah in the Quran [& Ahadith].
* note 'SOME' i.e. conservatively 20% is 300 million [need refinement] evil prone Muslims around the world. Even if 1% that is 15 million!!

Repeated material.

It is a worthwhile reminder to drive the point - especially when SOME [most] Muslims demand Sharia Law that is claimed to be superior to any existing constitution, thus imposed on others - that such desperation is based on existential fear and there is no real God.

I will not hesitate to repeat the above point as an when warranted to be effective.

That is to support my critical point on why Islam [a major part] is such a threat to humanity to the extent SOME Muslims could even exterminate the human species.

Repeated material.

Same as the above.
The reality is SOME evil prone Muslims are committing REAL evident terrible evils acts and violence around the world.
Such a critical threat is worth the repetition to warn others who are ignorant of this fact.

I specified 'basic' in my post earlier.
I did not claim to have mastered written or spoken Arabic.
'Basic' in this sense meant I have understood the basic linguistic principles and structures of the Arabic language which is more critical than being able to write, read and speak Arabic.

So you do not know and understand spoken and written basic Arabic, but you understand “the basic linguistic principles and structures of the Arabic language”!! Alright. So, please rewatch the video and tell me everything “basic” and “critical” about the Arabic language that you could understand from the video. Tell me about it all. You have spent three years learning “full-time”, don’t tell me there is nothing “basic” that you can understand from the video! Take your time, I am in no hurry. Here it is again:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LXS5jXjXTQ

Often Muslims will claim those who do not understand Arabic will not be able to understand the Quran from translations.
I have acquired sufficient basic linguistic knowledge to counter any weaknesses of totally ignorant of Arabic.

Good. Then we can discuss Quranic Arabic as from now. The above video is addressing Quranic Arabic, let us discuss it. There are many other such videos that we can discuss as you now know Quranic Arabic.

I am not fluent at all in written nor spoken Arabic.
I am not interested at all to waste my time to master such skills.

However I am interested in the linguistic principles of Arabic which I don't need to be able to read Arabic competently.

My approach to the linguistic of the Quranic Verse is this;

For every Quranic Verses I can get access the following;

• For every verse I can read it from more than 50 English Translations of the Quran with Pickthall as my main reference.
  
  The meaning and grammar analysis word for word of any verse from here;
  http://corpus.quran.com/
  
  From the above, I can refer to various English Arabic Dictionaries.
  
  In addition, I refer to various exegesis [tafsir] from various commentators.
  
  I have also read tons of books in English relevant to the above.
  Rather than on piecemeal thoughts, my focus is those books that focus on main themes within the Quran.
  
  I have joined various Islamic forums on a neutral basis to seek information not to argue against Islam.
  e.g. https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php

With the above on classic Arabic of the Quran I don't need to be competent in spoken and written Modern Arabic to get a good grasp and understand the essential message of the Quran.
Obviously I have to top the above with philosophy-proper.

[Veritas Aequitas]

There were and still are a lot. You should learn about history, I can’t keep spoon feeding you every bit of common knowledge. This is a philosophy forum site and not a daycare center!

You are trying to escape your intellectual responsibility by giving silly excuses.
I am certain there are none. I insist you produce evidence where Mahayana monks had mentioned those verses to justify any killing.

If you insist, then that is a completely different matter! But you will have to be patient. One thing at a time, let us finish this discussion that we are currently engaged in and when that done, we, or rather I can attack another subject! Don’t worry, if death does not come to meet either of us in the meantime then if Allah wills I will provide you the references. There is a lot to talk about here. I have a lot of scholarly materials on the subject. Remember that I sweat and do not beg, unlike you. So you will have to be patient otherwise you can stop being a lazy parasite and start making your own research.

I insist.
You are making an assertion, thus you have to provide the evidence.

Something is very wrong with your thinking here.
Asking you to provide evidence for your assertion is not begging.

Indeed, many people are converting to Islam as you already know. In fact, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. And demographers (i.e. statisticians) forecast that by 2050-2070, Islam will be predominant religion in the world by numbers of adherents to the faith, displacing Christianity. A lot of people are converting to Islam, more than to any other religion and these are statistical facts.

Yes, there are evidence of growth for Islam.
But this is heavily explained by the point, the critical factor for the growth is due to birth

Good, we are agreeing again. Indeed, Muslims are blessed with many children in contrast to the West where there is the problem of low fertility rate which will have long-term dramatic consequences for the West. The replacement rate for the West, in general, is well below the required bare minimum of 2.1 to maintain the population and this will have far-reaching consequences in the future according to the specialist in this field. Actually, across the EU, the average fertility rate is about 1.6, well below the bare minimum of 2.1 to avoid population decline. This, however, is not restricted to the West, but Russia (1.47) and China (1.57) as well have the same problems. You can read the statistical report on the subject here: https://www.ft.com/content/d54e4fe8-326 ... cb17fd1498

But here again, I remark that converts to Islam do also, in turn, have a lot of children! And that is also significantly contributing to the expansion of Islam. So conversion is indeed a factor to be considered in the expansion of Islam. In fact, to understand the importance of this we need only consider that nowadays the majority of Muslims are themselves descendants of converts!! Indeed, Arabs nowadays are a minority in Islam. The majority of Muslims nowadays are converts or descendants of converts from Asia, which were formally Buddhists and/or Hindus. And if Allah wills, this trend will continue to increase in the future. Already, western demographers themselves have accepted this as a fact. And it does not seem the situation is going to get any better for either the west or Russia or China as their women just do not want to give birth to the required number of children to prevent their population from declining, even though the governments of these nations have in the recent past been providing a lot of incentives for married couples to have more children. So, the future of humanity is on the shoulders of the Islamic world, at least this is what the statistics imply. I like statistics!

This is what I meant by you and other Muslims are very selfish in clinging to their own personal salvation.
Having many children is obeying Allah's command to dominate others with numbers regardless of the welfare of their own children and the limited resources of the World.
Non-Muslims are not having many children because they are concern for the well being of the child as it takes a lot of effort and money to ensure the children are well brought up in life.
Muslims and SOME Christians don't give a damn for family planning for fear of the wrath of God in not following God's command. This results in untold sufferings for children where the populations has exploded out of control.

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It was claimed that the Odd-Even pattern in the Holy Quran was "debunked" thus:

The Debunker has in turn been decisively debunked philosophically and mathematically here:http://philosophyforum.aba.ae/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=368

This is the same fallacy as propounded by Hamza Andreas Tzortzis regarding scientific miracles in the Quran.

The fallacy that you quoted Hamza Tzortzis mentioning was the Aristotelian deductive logical fallacy of the undistributed middle.
If you had some intelligence, you would have remarked that science itself is deductively fallacious. Science is founded on the inductive method, and the latter is known and accepted by every intelligent human being on the planet to be deductively fallacious! For if we were then to be consistent in following only deductive reasoning then ALL scientific laws themselves should be rejected! But we clearly do not and cannot do that. What we do instead is that we condition the use of the inductive method by specifying certain criteria for its correct application. But again if you are saying that we should reject science because it is deductively fallacious, then do tell us what you intend to substitute it with?

You are mixing things up here.
Hamza Tzortzis stated it is wrong for Muslims to use deductive reasoning to prove the Quran contain scientific knowledge and thus it is miracle. He mentioned people like Zakir Naik and others are doing that and it is fallacious.

I am well versed with the Philosophy of Science.
Science do not give a damn with Deductive or Inductive logic.
What Science is bothered with is its Scientific Framework and Methods which all scientists must complied with if their theories are to be recognized as scientific.
Popper had stated [in fact it is] all scientific theories are as best, polished conjectures, not absolute truths.

What Science cared for is whether the theory can be tested and confirmed by anyone.
The reliability of scientific theory is whether it works or not for the benefit of mankind while noting the danger of its side effects and potential abuse [ethics].
Humans trust the scientific germ theory because it works very often and have helped to save lives albeit not all the time but most of the time.
Human relied on Newton's scientific theories to go into outer-space which has worked and on many other scientific theories which are helpful the individual and humanity.

What is shameful is, SOME Muslims [many believe them] are using polished conjectures to prove their God exists as claimed in the Quran.

Anyway, the debunking posts of mine might well be beyond your level of competence given that you are having great difficulties with basic logic itself while these debunking posts of mine require more advanced skills than basic logic! I just remark that I did not address those debunking posts of mine to you specifically! It was intended for every member of the forum who could understand the elaborate mathematical and programming concepts contained therein. I know there are many mathematicians and computer scientists on the forum as I got the opportunity to exchange with many of them before, so in case they might be interested it was addressed to such type of people. It was members like these that I had in mind when writing those debunking posts.

If you want some information about what I wrote in the debunking, then I can explain certain basics to you. So, it was a basic implementation of standard inferential statistics with computer simulation. Because of the inferential statistics, the inductive method is explicit. And this is a very common practice in computer science. And moreover, much more elaborate forms of such statistical concepts are the core principles behind many Artificial Intelligence algorithms being implemented nowadays.
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If anyone has any other question about the subject matter of my analysis in debunking the debunker, then feel free to ask. So again Debunking the debunker, mathematical analysis of the Holy Quran:http://philosophyforum.aba.ae/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=368
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Citing some specific knowledge [mathematical and programming] that you have is in no way a convincing proof God exists.
When you have to bring your conclusion down to earth, they don't stand up to basic questioning.

Note Edip Yuksel's number '19'
http://19.org/

Btw, I will expect you to continue your condemnation and put-downs on me for no good reason other than because the Quran in its verses influenced you to do so.
This is very common with theists because their beliefs is based on faith without solid grounds, and when critiqued and not being able to give rational answers will resort to aggressive verbal violence of condemnations, pejorative, derogatory remarks and even threaten death to the other party in order to feel in control and relief from mental anguish.

[gaffo]

What theological example can you give which are forced on reality?

Why should you care? You're not real anyways.

PhilX

anyway

not anywayS.

you must be under 40 - i've noted the trend of bad english.

i could'NT care less.

no, not could care...................then i could.

yes?

[gaffo]

The critiques of Abrahamic religions, especially their claims of exclusivity, were fair and grounded. However, he glosses over Hinduism's incongruities enough to make the presentation more polemic than convincing, despite fair critiques of Abrahamic faiths.

Also, I think you'll find that both Hinduism and Abrahamic faiths are today largely more political movements than spiritual ones.

What these creeds claim at their cores appears to have become irrelevant. Each of them is now just a giant institution that is jostling with many other giant organisations for a share of the spoils that they are ALL extracting from individuals at a rapid rate.

yep.

so many in the west are ignorant of Eastern Religions/politics thereof.

just google "blue star" - Indians were right, Sikh leader was the thug, but action resulted in 380 killed by Sikh assholes out of Vancouver over Ireland.

[Averroes]

Don’t give me results about grown-up adults. Give me results about babies. People are not born grown-up adults! What kind of stupid and ignorant person are you?

??

Isn't it obvious?

What is obvious is your stupidity and ignorance.

You said 20% of all people are born with an active evil tendency. Now prove it with statistical evidence. I am still waiting.

All adults were babies when they were born?

Do not generalize you stupidity on us, it is only you are stupid and ignorant to that point.
Now, prove as you have done with adults taking bribes and lying, that 20% of all babies who are born have an active evil tendency. Can you produce the statistical evidence which shows that 20% of all babies are born with an active evil tendency? Either you have the statistical evidence or you don’t have it. I am still waiting but not in a hurry so you can take your time looking for that.

I suggest you stick to serious discussions and arguments rather than cheap personal attacks.

There was no personal attack by me on you. You are imagining things. Can you quote where I had personally attacked you? You will not find that kind of statements in my posts.
You are a hate preacher and you are being treated as such. That’s all, there is nothing personal.

I will not be surprised if you threaten to kill me [for countering Islam's evil elements].

You are getting into paranoia now. You are certainly imagining things. I have not threatened the life of anyone. I am just having a little chat with you and getting to know you better. That’s all. There is nothing in that for you to get so upset about, right? I am actually quite enjoying and benefiting from this conversation with you. However, I have to admit that if you were much less stupid and ignorant, it would have been much better.
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[Averroes]

Earlier I had not read of Kierkegaard's depression, since you mentioned and I have counter-checked and I agreed with the point.

Good, you have learned something from me then. But the point again is that you should initiate your own researches and not be a lazy parasite and wait for others to do the job for you. But anyway little by little, if Allah wills, I will teach you a couple of other good habits. We are going in the right direction now, I am happy.

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Where in the Buddhist sutras did the Buddha encouraged Buddhists to beg?

There are many Buddhist sutras which report that Siddhartha himself was a beggar, and moreover his closest disciple Ananda too was a beggar. Some quotations from the Buddhist scriptures are in order of course:

• Thus have I heard. At one season the Blessed One was staying at Sâvatthi, in the Conqueror's Grove, the cloister-garden of the Feeder of the Poor. And at that season there was a robber named Finger-garland (Angulimâlo) in the realm of Pasenadi, the King of Kosalâ; and he was barbarous, red-handed, devoted to killing and slaughter, unmerciful to all who live. By him towns, villages, and districts were made as though they had never been. He slew men all the time, and wore a garland of their fingers.
  
  Now the Blessed One, having dressed betimes, took his bowl in his robe, and went to Sâvatthi for alms. When he had gone round it, and had returned from the quest of alms in the afternoon, he rolled up his mat, took his bowl in his robe, and entered upon the high road where Finger-garland the robber was. (…) [Majjiima Nikaya, sutta 86]

Note: Siddhartha is being referred to as the “blessed one” in the sutta. I already mentioned king Pasenadi before, who was a violent warmonger who had killed a lot of people, but since he was giving charity to Siddhartha’s gang of lazy parasitic Buddhists monks, Siddhartha did not condemn Pasenadi but showed approval of him!

It is reported that Ananda once said to Siddhartha:

• “Venerable Lord, as I was making my round for alms in this great city of Sravasti, I saw the Bodhisattva King at the Head of the Masses inside a certain house, together with a woman on a couch.” [Upayakausalya Sutra]

This quotation was taken from a translation of a Buddhist scripture by a scholar in Buddhist studies Tatz and more excerpts of the book are available at this site: https://buddhism-controversy-blog.com/2 ... ns-sutra/

As an aside, the link just given above where Ananda is admitting to Siddhatha to making rounds for alms, is in fact addressing a story where Siddhartha is encouraging sexual debauchery as a way to “enlightenment.” According to the excerpt from Tatz book, Siddhartha replies to Ananda thus:

• The Lord replied to master Ananda: “Ananda, do not conceive of a holy person, someone practicing the Greater Vehicle correctly, as being faulty. Ananda, this is how you should understand it: A person of the vehicle of the auditors, in order to be absolutely peerless in maintaining meditative calm, will seek uninterruptedly to exhaust the outflows. In the same way, Ananda, the Bodhisattva great hero who is skilled in means, who is endowed with the thought of omniscience, will seek uninterruptedly for omniscience, even to the point of abiding among a holy retinue of women and enjoying, playing with, and taking pleasure in it. [The Skill in Means (Upayakausalya) Sutra]

As this sutra is reporting, Siddhartha was preaching that to reach “enlightenment” a Bodhisattva has to be a sexual maniac.
I shall be referring to this sutra again among many others later, if Allah wills, as I was insistently begged to write something on the real nature of Buddhism.
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The Buddha denounced asceticism and begging.

I can understand Siddhartha denouncing asceticism as he was promoting sexual debauchery. But about denouncing begging I never heard of that, can you quote some Buddhist texts where he denounced begging? I am interested in that. But anyway, I would not be surprised that he would denounce begging while he himself was a lazy beggar. I had thought that he was a hypocrite. Now you are confirming my point of view with this new alleged information. So Siddhartha was in addition to being a beggar, and a sexual maniac was also a hypocrite. It makes sense to me. Anyway, thank you in advance for that new information but nevertheless do provide textual support for it.

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In contrast note, the immutable and eternal forcing of payment of Zakat on every Muslims based on fear of the wrath of Allah and the threat of Hell. What kind of f moral is this?

The best of all morals.

As an aside, to all members reading this who might be interested in increasing their wealth, you might be interested to learn that in Islam when one gives charity to the poor and destitute, one’s wealth increases.

One thing that I should also mention is that I also stay away from interest rates/usury. I do not take interests either directly or indirectly. I stay very far from it because it is strictly forbidden in Islam.

Allah, the Most Generous says in the Holy Quran:

• The example of those who spend their wealth in the way of Allah is like a seed [of grain] which grows seven spikes; in each spike is a hundred grains. And Allah multiplies [His reward] for whom He wills. And Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing. [Quran, interpretation of meaning 2:261]

• And the example of those who spend their wealth seeking the pleasure of Allah and with certainty of their inner souls, is like a garden on a height, falls on it heavy rain, so it yields double harvest. And (even) if it does not receive a heavy rain, then a drizzle (is sufficient). And Allah is All-Seer of what you do. [Quran, interpretation of meaning 2:265]

• Those who consume usury cannot stand (on the Day of Resurrection) except like the standing of a person whom Shaitaan (Satan) has confounded by his touch. That is because they say, “Trade is like usury.” While Allah has permitted trade but has forbidden usury. Then whoever after receiving the admonition from His Lord refrains from it, then whatever has passed, his case is with Allah. And those who repeat – they are the companions of the Fire; they will abide in it forever. [Quran, interpretation of meaning 2:275]

• Allah destroys usury and gives increase for charities. And Allah does not love any ungrateful sinner. [Quran, interpretation of meaning, 2:276]

So I stay away from interest rates and regularly give charity according to my means to the poor and destitute, i.e. people who really need it, e.g. widows, orphans, small children, elderly persons, handicapped persons, refugees, homeless people etc... As a result, praise be to Allah, the Most Generous, my finance is ok.

However, I do not give to lazy Buddhists monks, drugs addicts, and the likes.

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[Averroes]

I admit to repetition as an when necessary which is relevant to any points raised in a post. This is a very common thing with most people.

Yes, indeed this is very common with people with depression and OCD.

I have to repeat the definition of 'evil' many times because people like Immanuel Can kept denying I have not defined evil when I have done so.

I would not be surprised if you were also experiencing memory loss or were you to be having false memories as well. These are very common symptoms for people suffering from depression and OCD.

False memory OCD can seem very real. Listen to a professional on the matter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLG_vW57AgA

There are also many testimonies of people with false memory OCD on the internet, and the symptoms appear to be similar to what you are experiencing.

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Note there are tons of research and articles of the importance of repetition in learning and communication, e.g.

The Importance of Repetition in Learning
http://www.proctorgallagherinstitute.co ... n-learning

This is a forum that involves communication and learning.

I am starting to understand you better the more we keep exchanging like this. So because of your inherent depression, you have memory loss issues, and moreover, your OCD could be giving you false memories as well. So, to counter the effect of these memory problems, you need to repeat things a lot of times to yourself so that you can learn and memorize them.

As for myself, my memory is alright, praise be to Allah. So, I am not much into the repetitions that you so much need to learn things. In fact, the kind of repetitions that you are into bore me. I prefer to experience new things and explore and think about new ideas. And there is so much thing around us that we have a wide and quasi-inexhaustible range to chose from. It would be losing my precious time in doing the repetitions that you are into.

I am aware of a psychiatric problem in relation to repetition and OCD and I am very well aware of that.

Of course, that goes without saying as you have firsthand experience of OCD.

Btw, why are you "repeating" so blindly and aggressively on the concept of OCD from NIMH as above and repetitively making the wrong accusations against me?

Due to your OCD, you are asking me many related questions in a row, so I have to reply to each one of them. Besides, why would you be complaining now? Isn’t it the only way that you are able to learn new things due to your memory issues?

However, in the above case, you are revealing yourself as having real OCD.

That is because I have to reply to your repeated questions in order to help you to learn new things. I am just taking care of your education. If you are still ignorant and stupid after that, then it would not be my fault, for I tried my best to educate you.

The question to you is;
Can you give up praying 5 times a day without feeling guilty and feel with anxieties of the wrath of God?
If you cannot give it up but feel relieved psychologically when you have done your prayers 5 times a day, then you are suffering from real OCD as defined above.

Your stupidity and laziness are showing up again. I already told you and you agreed that there is no anxiety in me. I already told you that and now I am having to repeat myself because of your memory loss problems. Anyway, there is no anxiety in me because remember that I have taken the best remedy against depression and anxiety according to you yourself. So everything else that I do in Islam is just pure joy and satisfaction for me.

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[Averroes]

My salvation??

Note the Principle of Charity.
In the first place it is obvious I am not-a-theist and had critiqued the concept of salvation via God for eternal life in paradise. Why should I be interested in salvation?

I do not know! That is not a question for me to answer! Maybe you are fed up with being chronically depressed, or maybe you are fed up with all these obsessive-compulsive thoughts and behaviors or maybe you are fed up with being stupid and ignorant and want to feel alive for once. It’s up to you. But if you need help from me in terms of advice on how to attain your salvation, then you can still contact me at a later time. That’s what I meant by the statements of mine that you quoted. It’s up to you now.

The above imply you are selfish in clinging to your own personal salvation at the expense of the well being of the human species and humanity.
In this case, your personal salvation comes first even if the idea of God lead others to commit terrible evils and violence in the name of God.

Repeated materials.

The reality is SOME evil prone Muslims are committing REAL evident terrible evils acts and violence around the world.
Such a critical threat is worth the repetition to warn others who are ignorant of this fact.

Repeated materials.
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I am not fluent at all in written nor spoken Arabic.

Alright, that is a clear statement. Thank you.

I am not interested at all to waste my time to master such skills.

However I am interested in the linguistic principles of Arabic which I don't need to be able to read Arabic competently.

My approach to the linguistic of the Quranic Verse is this;

For every Quranic Verses I can get access the following;

• For every verse I can read it from more than 50 English Translations of the Quran with Pickthall as my main reference.
  
  The meaning and grammar analysis word for word of any verse from here;
  http://corpus.quran.com/
  
  From the above, I can refer to various English Arabic Dictionaries.
  
  In addition, I refer to various exegesis [tafsir] from various commentators.
  
  I have also read tons of books in English relevant to the above.
  Rather than on piecemeal thoughts, my focus is those books that focus on main themes within the Quran.
  
  I have joined various Islamic forums on a neutral basis to seek information not to argue against Islam.
  e.g. https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php

With the above on classic Arabic of the Quran I don't need to be competent in spoken and written Modern Arabic to get a good grasp and understand the essential message of the Quran.
Obviously I have to top the above with philosophy-proper.

Basically, you are saying, rather convolutedly, that you are not at all fluent in Arabic in any shape or form but you rely completely on the translation of the Holy Quran. That’s fine too, there is no need to be ashamed of that. I learned a lot by reading the translations of the Holy Quran. The Holy Quran is the greatest book I have ever read. I have all sorts of books, but nothing compares with the Holy Quran. I wish you to benefit from your study of the Holy Quran as I have benefited.

[Averroes]

If you insist, then that is a completely different matter! But you will have to be patient. One thing at a time, let us finish this discussion that we are currently engaged in and when that done, we, or rather I can attack another subject! Don’t worry, if death does not come to meet either of us in the meantime then if Allah wills I will provide you the references. There is a lot to talk about here. I have a lot of scholarly materials on the subject. Remember that I sweat and do not beg, unlike you. So you will have to be patient otherwise you can stop being a lazy parasite and start making your own research.

I insist.
You are making an assertion, thus you have to provide the evidence.

I understood you already the first time you insisted. But as I said you will have to be patient now, since you are a lazy parasite who does not want to work and do his own research. I have many books on the subject that I will have to quote. So again be patient.

Non-Muslims are not having many children because they are concern for the well being of the child as it takes a lot of effort and money to ensure the children are well brought up in life.

For sure, it's not by being a lazy parasite like Siddhartha that we can raise children. That is agreed between us. However, unlike the lazy Buddhists monks, Muslims are required to work and earn a living honestly to feed themselves and their families. Making effort and hard work is not a problem for the Muslims. Allah, the All-Wise says in the Holy Quran:

• And strive for Allah with the striving due to Him. He has chosen you and has not placed upon you in the religion any difficulty. [It is] the religion of your father, Abraham. Allah named you "Muslims" before [in former scriptures] and in this [revelation] that the Messenger may be a witness over you and you may be witnesses over the people. So establish prayer and give zakah and hold fast to Allah. He is your protector; and excellent is the protector, and excellent is the helper. [Quran, interpretation of meaning 22:78]

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